2013 Testing - Barcelona 2: 28 Feb - 3 Mar

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Re: 2013 Testing - Barcelona 2: 28 Feb - 3 Mar

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From the little i saw on the stream today,

Sauber looked terrible, like it had no downforce at all. But it looked like they ran the car nearly filled up to the max so it´s probably that. Did not see much of that car though.

Red Bull, solid is the only word i can come up with, did not notice any nervous-ness at all, car looked like on rails to me.

Mclaren, solid but a bit heavy/sluggish. Probably very high fuel loads.

Mercedes, probably lower fuel loads then most but looked very nice, very "frisky" :)

Ferrari, looked great imo.

Lotus, bit like Ferrari, looked extremely stable in the left-right transition at T11-T12.

Still think Red Bull has the edge over everyone come Australia.

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Lotus / Mercedes
Ferrari / Mclaren
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Nando wrote:Red Bull
Lotus / Mercedes
Ferrari / Mclaren
Sauber
Heh, it's amazing how I got laughed off the planet for stating that exact order a week and a half ago ;)

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Hell we both might get laughed at come AUS but for now people can´t exactly prove us wrong ;)
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beelsebob wrote:
Nando wrote:Red Bull
Lotus / Mercedes
Ferrari / Mclaren
Sauber
Heh, it's amazing how I got laughed off the planet for stating that exact order a week and a half ago ;)
Was it the Hamilton fans laughing by any chance?

I don't want to predict anything, the only thing I can predict is that Newey has this current set of rules mastered and that redbull have a good step with the car they won both titles with last year.....

The only thing I'll commit to predicting is that there isn't a guaranteed pole for Vettel in Valencia this year!! :P
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beelsebob wrote:
Nando wrote:Red Bull
Lotus / Mercedes
Ferrari / Mclaren
Sauber
Heh, it's amazing how I got laughed off the planet for stating that exact order a week and a half ago ;)


Looks about right, only I might swap Williams for Sauber. Admittedly, I did not rank Mercedes as high at first. 3rd or 4th was where I had Merc at first, but this latest test showed real stability and speed, especially out of turn 1 and turn 2, Merc hammered the throttle more solidly than pretty much anyone. And I don't think Lotus are quite as quick as everyone is thinking, and the car seems unreliable. Red Bull still may have a qualifying gremlin since they cannot run DRS everywhere, but based on race pace I say:


Red Bull
Mercedes
Lotus = Ferrari
Mclaren
Williams
Sauber

And for qualifying pace I believe the same order to be correct only with advantage being to Mercedes simply due to Red Bull's lack of DRS useage which clearly gave them a distinct advantage during 2012 (they could use DRS much more than others).

And for Street circuits, advantage Mercedes.

If Mclaren deduce their car, I believe they have a rocket on their hands though.

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CjC wrote: The only thing I'll commit to predicting is that there isn't a guaranteed pole for Vettel in Valencia this year!! :P
Especially with the Merc looking so good in the final sector of Catalunya which demands good mechanical grip.

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What car characteristics are needed in Melbourne?

Sorry for OT cant find appropriate thread.
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Ferraripilot, you demanding yourself in your post, you talking about Red Bull race pace as best, Lotus last year and this year with Grosjean Webber simulation showed reverse case, but you dont think Lotus is quick as others. Ok. For other I can only say Mercedes have excellent mehanical grip, this can be advantage in Monaco, Singapore i agree, specialy when you have good driver, Kubica in R30 showed that. But mehanical grip isnt everything and never was in f1. Downforce still lead as king of this rules, and recently good tire use. In this case i think 4 others teams have advantage over them, no matter how much small maybe it is, specialy when we know this year is closer then ever.

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Anon123 wrote:
CjC wrote: The only thing I'll commit to predicting is that there isn't a guaranteed pole for Vettel in Valencia this year!! :P
Especially with the Merc looking so good in the final sector of Catalunya which demands good mechanical grip.
I'll even go as far to say Mercedes won't be on pole for Valencia either :P
Just a fan's point of view

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Neno wrote:Ferraripilot, you demanding yourself in your post, you talking about Red Bull race pace as best, Lotus last year and this year with Grosjean Webber simulation showed reverse case, but you dont think Lotus is quick as others. Ok. For other I can only say Mercedes have excellent mehanical grip, this can be advantage in Monaco, Singapore i agree, specialy when you have good driver, Kubica in R30 showed that. But mehanical grip isnt everything and never was in f1. Downforce still lead as king of this rules, and recently good tire use. In this case i think 4 others teams have advantage over them, no matter how much small maybe it is, specialy when we know this year is closer then ever.
Merc's suspension are I believe allowing them to run a lower front static ride height which certainly aids their aero. The Red Bull is quite gussied up in terms of bits already applied, I simply believe Merc has more room to grow as it still appears quite vanilla by comparison. And top flight mechanical grip is useful pretty much anywhere there's a chicane!

Lotus having their driveshaft exposed as they do whilst other top teams have it covered still bothers me, i dont know why but it just seems like an obvious detail to have covered that was overlooked. Yes they're quick but I just can't see them being top contenders.

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Anon123 wrote:
CjC wrote: The only thing I'll commit to predicting is that there isn't a guaranteed pole for Vettel in Valencia this year!! :P
Especially with the Merc looking so good in the final sector of Catalunya which demands good mechanical grip.
Id say its due to the fact Valencia isnt on the calendar, more than the fact Merc seem to have good mechanical grip.
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NathanOlder wrote:
Anon123 wrote:
CjC wrote: The only thing I'll commit to predicting is that there isn't a guaranteed pole for Vettel in Valencia this year!! :P
Especially with the Merc looking so good in the final sector of Catalunya which demands good mechanical grip.
Id say its due to the fact Valencia isnt on the calendar, more than the fact Merc seem to have good mechanical grip.
Ah yes, I forgot about that. #-o :lol:

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Sorry, it was just abit of fun :P ^

Fellas, I laughed at this when I read this and want to share your opinions of it

this proves that no one knows anything about the competitiveness at this moment in time and that journalists just talk/write for the sake of something to say

Andrew Benson from the BBC:
"The word on the street is that McLaren's long-run pace does not look too clever, although McLaren themselves insist it depends what run you look at and that they will be "in the mix". What is assumed to be a full-tank run from Jenson Button this afternoon went like this: 1:30.31, 30.27, 30.56. 30.8, 30.8, 31.17, 31.42, 32.05. Now, at 0.38kg per 10kg for fuel effect, then assume the hard tyres which he was on are 1.5 seconds slower than the softs (which is probably over-estimating the gap) and you get 7.2 seconds between a start-of-the-race lap and a qualifying lap. Calculate backwards and that gives a 23.11 - three seconds off what Nico Rosberg did this morning, a 20.1. Alternatively, calculate forwards from a 20.5 and you get 27.2, much slower than McLaren are actually doing. So something isn't adding up there."

Basically he's saying that from what times Button was doing in the afternoon and after abit of dodgy calculations Button is 3 seconds off the pace of Rosberg with a 1m 23.1, but Button phyisically did a 1m 22 something in the morning, this just shows that the number crunching game can be aload of rubbish and will (has) makes you look silly
Just a fan's point of view

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And some more flubflubflub from the BBC:

Formula 1: Gary Anderson impressed by Mercedes speed
Video - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/21650843

And even worse:
Lewis Hamilton: Mercedes on pole for Formula 1 title bid:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/21649816
When BBC F1's Eddie Jordan broke the news last September that Lewis Hamilton was moving to Mercedes this year, everyone thought it was a joke. But the joke might be on them now.

Hamilton joined McLaren as a boy and he never really grew out of that. But he has joined Mercedes as a man and I have to say his body language has been fantastic this winter. He really is up for it.

Can Mercedes make a car that is worthy of his talents? Hamilton has been playing down their chances but I think they've done it this year.

Some of the lap times we have seen from the Mercedes had already been pretty good, when you take into account when they were done and on what tyres.

But on Saturday, on the penultimate day of pre-season testing, Hamilton did a one minute 20.5 seconds lap at Barcelona's Circuit de Catalunya on soft tyres on a low-fuel run.

That is a pretty impressive lap time and I think it proves Mercedes have the ability to win races and the championship this year.
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The only thing that seems to be free of doubt is that Pirelli tyres were not designed for this temperature. Then is impossible to say who is going to be at front row in Melbourne and less who is going to have more or less tyre degradation.