Mosley "F1 calendar still too European"

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Mosley "F1 calendar still too European"

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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/55653
Mad Max wrote:blah, blah,blah... Nine of them, including the Turkish Grand Prix in Istanbul, are in Europe... blah,blah,blah
A country that has Iraq and Syria as neighboring countries is "in Europe"

Max was skipping geography classes for sure :roll:

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Also... forcing F1 out of Europe is a great way to reduce costs :roll: :roll: :roll:

Mosley's actions are as logical as if Bin Laden would eat pork and promote fundamental Islam in the same time. He talks about cost cutting and increases them constantly, he keeps on talking about helping smaller teams and they are vanishing.


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f1.redbaron
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He's right, though....about Turkey. It is, officially, a European Nation, despite the fact that only a small part of Istanbul lies on the European continent.

As for his idea about F1 leaving Europe, I'm all for it as long as they give at least one more date in Canada/USA

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Sounds like one more little comment designed to help suport the idea that the Turkey event needs to be replaced. Personally I like the Turkey event. It's a great track.

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Why does he want to leave Europe. Biggest fan base tracks that have chracter not stuff Victor Meldrew designed to make it boring I say sack Max what a tosser. The yanks don't even want F1 after indy 2 years ago they only have 1 good track over there and thats Road Americs
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Otodrom - Turkish circuit is not in Europe. I like circuit too but it is stupid that Mosley considers it European circuit. According to Mosley a circuit built in French Guiana would also be European circuit.

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Although Europe was the birthplace and nursery of Formula One, as we know it, circumstances force change. The world is a smaller place now, and the logistics of racing anywhere in the world isn't as a formidable challenge as it was a few decades ago.
And in business, if you're now growing and expanding, you're going to die. So casting about for new venues is good business sense, to a degree. Demographics are important, and it's logical to have events where the fan base is large(er).
Mind you, making noises about taking away an event is one good way to force more money from the track organizers. And if F1 can relocate it's base of operations from Europe, then it would put an end to all those bothersome investigations the EU makes every few years. You know, monopoly and all that nonsense. (bit of sarcasm intended).
Also, there is still a lot of tobacco advertising dollars making themselves felt in F1. Europe is pretty well a dead end, and although Marlboro may sponsor Ferrari, they really don't give a crap if races are held in Italy. Now where they can advertise, say in Asia, or the middle east, that's where advertising dollars are meant to have an impact.
Truth is, money isn't sentimental, and history is only to be used to sell. Take it seriously, because the head Ferengi, Bernie is looking around for a way to make even more money.

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theorically for a non F1 fan it could sound perfect. They're showing the sport all arround the world and not just in europe. The problem here is the way they want to make it. The only interest is money, it doesn't matter what country will be, they'll spend billions of bucks building state of art Tilke signed tracks and just focusing on money issues

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As far as I know, Turkey still isn't an european country. The project to integrate Turkey in EU has gone up and down, and recent diplomatic issues have made it even more uncertain. French government recently created a fuss with a law project about the recognition of the armenian genocide, which Turkey still deny. That forced our moron of a president to go apologise there, but tensions are still very strong by now. All that to say that manchild is right, and mad max isn't. Turkey isn't an EU nation, period.

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I had in mind geographical position of Turkey and Otodrom which is not on European continent geographically.

Circuit in Gibraltar wouldn't be a circuit in northern Europe because politically Gibraltar belongs to UK.

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FOLLOW THE MONEY
Nothing else as any influence on F1

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F1 was born in Europe, and frankly no one else really wants it. The east don't particularely care about motoracing (except their rallying) untill you reach Japan, North America is far more into Stock cars and their 'world' series racing. South America loves it, give them some more races.
I don't know much about Africa, how popular was Kylami?

I think Scandinavia could do with a race to support their local heros, other than that keep it as it is.

I wonder if Max looks at these sites and then deliberatly does the opposite? Perhaps he hates F1? Anyway next year should bring in the crowds, with so many championship contenders we can be great again.
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f1.redbaron wrote: As for his idea about F1 leaving Europe, I'm all for it as long as they give at least one more date in Canada/USA
Oh yeah! Screw Indy, give us Long Beach, Montreal and a street circuit in Vancouver! I know it won't happen, but it should.

I agree with Tom about Scandanavia and South America. Mexico City and something in Chile in addition to Interlagos. But wherever, they should spread through more of the world.

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vyselegend wrote:As far as I know, Turkey still isn't an european country. The project to integrate Turkey in EU has gone up and down, and recent diplomatic issues have made it even more uncertain. French government recently created a fuss with a law project about the recognition of the armenian genocide, which Turkey still deny. That forced our moron of a president to go apologise there, but tensions are still very strong by now. All that to say that manchild is right, and mad max isn't. Turkey isn't an EU nation, period.
European Union is not the same as European Nation. Russia is not a part of EU either, and they are still considered a European Nation (despite the fact that 2/3 of it are in Asia). Also, Britain is also not a member of EU, and neither are the Scandinavian countries, and, yet, all of them are considered to be European Nations.
manchild wrote:I had in mind geographical position of Turkey and Otodrom which is not on European continent geographically.

Circuit in Gibraltar wouldn't be a circuit in northern Europe because politically Gibraltar belongs to UK.
In that case, my mistake...but you know what he meant. Turkish GP is in Turkey and Turkey is a European country.

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f1.redbaron wrote: Turkish GP is in Turkey and Turkey is a European country.
Politically it is European country, geographically not. Why would GP of Syria be any less European if we'd observe it geographically? Both circuits would be on same zone in the middle east thousands of kilometers away from European capitals and not on European soil.

Moving F1 caravan to Istanbul requires same logistics and expenses as moving it to Egypt, Syria, Israel or Iraq. I mean, why are they calling Turkey exotic country to justify expansion of F1 and now they call it European country to justify further expansion. Politicians can call Turkey Europe as much as they want but it is in Asia and it is Orient.

Realistically Greece and Bulgaria are south-eastern borders of Europe.

If it was up to me I'd like to see F1 again in Holland, Austria and for the first time in Czech republic. I think that exotic countries with no practical contribution to on motor sport should swap hosting every two or 3 years (Malaysia, China, Turkey, Bahrain).

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Well, I haven't published because I haven't links or info on half of them yet, but my track collection has reached 820 points. The images on "world distribution of Ciro's tracks", or WDCT for short :wink: are the following:

Europe-Africa
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Notice the incredible density of dots and how hard is to find tracks at the "fringes" of the european block.

On Turkey, even if you agree with MC no-nonsense and DaveKillens matter-of-factness, I add that the distance from Wien (Vienna) to the Istanbul track is less than 1.300 km (800 mi, you can barely see a couple of red dots and the white line that joins them). My country (a medium-sized one by all standards I know) cannot fit in such a small space, a distance that you can cover in one or two days by car, given a border free, decent road. This is a good picture of the F1 world, for my taste.

I dare to say that the sharp geographical divide Manchild perceives is a historical one, that has 2.000 years of history behind and that involves "what geography is". Perhaps Spain does not feel the same sharp divide, but only because it coexisted with muslims for 700 years (so much for the capability of money to "bend" history). Slavic european countries have been independent of Turkey/Bizancio only for the last 200 years or so, and the "war frontier" remains, but seen from afar, is completely ideological, not physical. In my personal clasification that you don't have to share, Israel couldn't be more european. So, I vote for f1.redbaron position.

Asia-Oceania
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I take this as a good example of how racers come from racetracks and viceversa (it is the same with, let's say, cricket fields and cricket players). New Zealand, Japan and Australia concentrate most of the WDCT.

America
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First thing that comes to my mind is that if there is a people on Earth mistreated by the F1 world (according to WDCT :wink:) is the Argentinian one. My heart aches :wink: with the proposed Interlomas location, instead of wisely including the land of Fangio and Reutemann (well, and the land of Fontana, why not?). These poor people, the refugees of the F1 United Nations, the expoliated by misfortune, have more tracks than tango ballrooms.

The Scandinavian remark by Tom is, as usual (go Tom! :)), justified. I did not want to clutter this post with a close up of Europe, but surely they have a lot of tracks (and, according to my theory, consequently they have racers) and their F1 events have been few.

Second one is that "mighty" North America and the sweet Caribbean are "lost" for F-1. Period. NASCAR rules, my friends, and is the sport with more live spectators in the world. Double period. :wink:

Finally, I only add that is sad to build tracks in the middle of the desert when you could race besides a coral beach in, I don't know, Colombia, for example :lol:. However, I am starting to think Mosley has no taste (and very poor maps).
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