What other drivers would have also overtaken Webber?

[Ganxxta]

First one who comes in my mind and is not even on the list is Juan Pablo Montoya.

[gray41]

Jenson.

[wesley123]

Wow...
I can't remember there being so much drama after Webber ignored teamorders in Silverstone '11, but for some reason the whole F1 circus is imploding because Vettel gave the viewers a race rather than a progression.

You mean that teamorder that Webber didnt hear? Also do you mean that teamorder where Webber didnt overtake Vettel? If so, yeah that was a huge shame of Webber

Thinking back to a certain driver who said "if you no longer go for a gap that exists you are no longer a racing driver because we are competing, we are competing to win", it got me thinking, what other drivers would have also gone for the win in this situation?

So, first you go bash Webber for breaking a team order(which he didnt even do), and then you go praise Vettel for the same thing? Seriously?

Any driver with the slightest respect for their team, or co-driver would have listened to the order, certainly when you have won the WDC the past 3 years and had help from your teammate more than often. Seriously the least you could do is let your team mate take this one after 2 years of towing behind everything Vettel wants.

No one in his right mind that has respect for the team or their teammate would have overtaken him after an order not to do so. No one in the list would have done this in the same situation.

It is Red Bull Racing, not Vettel Racing, and Webber is as much a part of it and deserves as much of a chance as Vettel does.

EDIT: Scratch that Webber thing on Silverstone 2011, but still the rest of my post stands.

[Raptor22]

you don;t deserve want yo haven't earned and Webber has no earned a shot at the WDC title yet. He has not been able to follow through. He's a choker

[Steven]

I really fail to see the point of this vote. Who does what depends on the context, the rivalry, the era, the moment in the championship this happens, and so on, and so on. Knowing this, the poll is simply irrelevant and impossible to reply on.

Rosberg showed what it takes to be a team player and be calm about it. Vettel simply put his own interests ahead of the team. That's all there is to this. Anyone who thinks differently is just not thinking.

[wesley123]

you don;t deserve want yo haven't earned and Webber has no earned a shot at the WDC title yet. He has not been able to follow through. He's a choker

He had quite the shot at it in 2010

[GrizzleBoy]

I really fail to see the point of this vote. Who does what depends on the context, the rivalry, the era, the moment in the championship this happens, and so on, and so on. Knowing this, the poll is simply irrelevant and impossible to reply on.

Rosberg showed what it takes to be a team player and be calm about it. Vettel simply put his own interests ahead of the team. That's all there is to this. Anyone who thinks differently is just not thinking.

Basically.

[FrukostScones]

I've been good lately, but this one is just tooooo pathetic to pass up.

Dude, your hero ignored his team and then lied about it in front of millions of people. This really happened; we all saw it.

And it's OK. Not even for one second do I begrudge him this, because all F1 drivers are overgrown children who look out for themselves first and foremost. That's what they're trained to do from the very beginning. It's why they succeed.

It only gets ugly when the infantile contingents of those who follow these overgrown children cannot accept the occasionally atrocious behavior of their idols and need to justify it in one way or another as acceptable practice. I thought the race thread was bad enough, what with its duplicitous back-and-forth between those who attack and defend whoever or whatever is in the best interest of their particular allegiance at the time. But, to start a thread in search of some sort of popularly fabricated exculpation of something so plainly wrong is just...weak. Puny. Lame.

Sad.

Sebastian Vettel is not a saint, and putting him in league with any other driver will not change that.

why, just because VET acted like Senna and some can't handle that.

[GrizzleBoy]

why, just because VET acted like Senna and some can't handle that.

If that is your reply, then I can't see how you've read what he posted.

Why can't people carry the generally light hearted behaviour from live chat into the forums?

[Juzh]

you don;t deserve want yo haven't earned and Webber has no earned a shot at the WDC title yet. He has not been able to follow through. He's a choker

He had quite the shot at it in 2010

You mean the year in which vettel was forced to relinquish his assured victory due to car failures in bahrain, australia and korea trough no fault of his own?
Mark slamming it into the wall in damp conditions in Korea ultimately lost him the championship. No excuses here.

I really fail to see the point of this vote. Who does what depends on the context, the rivalry, the era, the moment in the championship this happens, and so on, and so on. Knowing this, the poll is simply irrelevant and impossible to reply on.

Rosberg showed what it takes to be a team player and be calm about it. Vettel simply put his own interests ahead of the team. That's all there is to this. Anyone who thinks differently is just not thinking.

Basically.

While this is certainly true, one of them is a triple WC and the other one has a single victory to his name.

[FrukostScones]

why, just because VET acted like Senna and some can't handle that.

If that is your reply, then I can't see how you've read what he posted.

Why can't people carry the generally light hearted behaviour from live chat into the forums?

I just fail to see bhallg2K's point, he gets personal and forgets the whole context and sounds pretty naive despite knowing better.
Why? Everyone has his own little agenda, there is no right or wrong. Be a fanboy or be none I don't care. As long as you don't start droning and put your OPINION on a superior level.
Others argue the context is not the same. Really? It's still F1, who will become WDC,the best of the best!!!
It is not football.

How is my behavior lighthearted.

[RB7ate9]

you don;t deserve want yo haven't earned and Webber has no earned a shot at the WDC title yet. He has not been able to follow through. He's a choker

This is something that a lot of folks aren't understanding at this point that gives more motive for Vettel for passing and Mark for being extremely pissed:

This is still really early in the championship and the pecking order still hasn't been established.

These first few races are good for Vettel because he needs a big points haul (obviously).

But, for WEBBER these first few races are crucial since he needs them to build himself to a position to get more support from the team (i.e. early updates) to really make a dent as WDC contender since he does ok during the European leg but falters in the Tilke-o-dromes in the tail end.

What Vettel essentially did was put the first torpedo into Webber's chances of fighting for the WDC.

[wesley123]

you don;t deserve want yo haven't earned and Webber has no earned a shot at the WDC title yet. He has not been able to follow through. He's a choker

He had quite the shot at it in 2010

You mean the year in which vettel was forced to relinquish his assured victory due to car failures in bahrain, australia and korea trough no fault of his own?
Mark slamming it into the wall in damp conditions in Korea ultimately lost him the championship. No excuses here.

True, but that doesnt mean he didnt had a shot at it. As a matter of fact he was in the WDC race but lost it in the last race of the season. He might had lost it, but he certainly had his shot at it.

[Just_a_fan]

What Vettel essentially did was put the first torpedo into Webber's chances of fighting for the WDC.

What Vettel did was put a torpedo in his chances of Webber helping later in the season. If Vettel needs Webber to hold someone up or get out of the way in order to secure the title he'll find Webber's radio isn't working all of a sudden.

If Vettel really believed he could beat Webber by his own talent alone, he'd have banked today's second with a sly "Mark owes me today" over the radio. Mark would then be in the position of being expected to help out when needed. Now? Vettel is racing the rest of the season without a tail gunner. Good luck sonny.

[WhiteBlue]

... Vettel simply put his own interests ahead of the team. That's all there is to this. Anyone who thinks differently is just not thinking.

I will have the audacity to claim an opposing opinion here. While the esteemed owner and admin is right about the basic thing that happened in the Malaysian GP today I think he is wrong about people's need to digest this by making all kind of comparisons and chat about it. Dear Tomba, we are still thinking despite your opinion to the contrary and I for myself am not inclined to shut up when I'm being told.

My opinion on the poll is simple. Half the drivers from the list including Schumacher, Alonso, Prost and Senna would be selfish enough to pull this kind of stunt. They have done similar or worse things by driving opponents off the track, blocking them in the pit lane or disregarding team order calls themselves. So Vettel although being no blue eyed boy isn't a worse villain than those other great drivers who have stepped over lines on their way to fame.