2013 Chinese GP - Shanghai

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boyracer94 wrote:
korzeniow wrote:It will be between Kimi and Fernando tomorrow.

Mercs will chew their tyres tomorrow.
I don't have the lap times, but didn't Lewis do a 27 lap run on Primes in FP2?
Yes he did, with relatively little deg compared to the other teams. In fact, he was starting to do quicker laps towards the end.
Both, Rosberg and hamilton have worse degradation than Kimi:

http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page ... WkNhLXxpqM

http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page ... WkNfLXxpqP
Sorry, but I don't read that the same way – Hamilton did more laps than Kimi, and was able to put in significantly quicker ones at the end. That looks like significantly less deg for the mercs for me.
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Nomore wrote:Sorry but this is completely wrong in my opinion , 6-7-8-9 years ago (and not going furthermore) teams were not managing the same variable that they are managing now.
Sorry, but I'm simply not going to read opinions about how to improve F1 from someone who thought 6-9 years ago is something to model it on. 6-9 years ago was possible the single most boring F1 we've ever had. It is in fact the only point in my life where I stopped watching F1.

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beelsebob wrote: Sorry, but I'm simply not going to read opinions about how to improve F1 from someone who thought 6-9 years ago is something to model it on. 6-9 years ago was possible the single most boring F1 we've ever had. It is in fact the only point in my life where I stopped watching F1.
The same applies to people who share your opinion, don't you think? It's a matter of personal preference and I wouldn't try to stamp mine on the rest.
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Webber will start from the back of the grid.

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Dragonfly wrote:
beelsebob wrote: Sorry, but I'm simply not going to read opinions about how to improve F1 from someone who thought 6-9 years ago is something to model it on. 6-9 years ago was possible the single most boring F1 we've ever had. It is in fact the only point in my life where I stopped watching F1.
The same applies to people who share your opinion, don't you think? It's a matter of personal preference and I wouldn't try to stamp mine on the rest.
What's your point?

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RicerDude wrote:Webber will start from the back of the grid.
Yep, 150ml of fuel on board. Required at least 1.2l to return to the pits and still have a sample.

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I don't have too much problem with Pirelli. I believe the racing is generally better than it was a few years ago and they do a better job than Bridgestone, who's tyres were far too conservative.

However they have got it wrong this weekend. No way near as wrong as the 2005 Indy f1 GP but it still was a poor spectacle.

Like many of these things, often people go past the desired outcome before realising they have gone to far. Hopefully this will push Pirelli to pull back a bit to the desirable tyre situation.

Perhaps the FIA will also consider the concept of extra/qualifying tyres, especially for those who make Q3.

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beelsebob wrote:
Nomore wrote:Sorry but this is completely wrong in my opinion , 6-7-8-9 years ago (and not going furthermore) teams were not managing the same variable that they are managing now.
Sorry, but I'm simply not going to read opinions about how to improve F1 from someone who thought 6-9 years ago is something to model it on. 6-9 years ago was possible the single most boring F1 we've ever had. It is in fact the only point in my life where I stopped watching F1.
First i have only pointed out that in those years the variables were different, and not it was good or bad...please re-read my message.

Secondly If you want my opinion at which period was the F1 that i most liked, i will say : 1998-2000. It's a personal opinion that those 3 years i liked very much, like everyone can have a personal opinion.

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beelsebob wrote:
Dragonfly wrote:
beelsebob wrote: Sorry, but I'm simply not going to read opinions about how to improve F1 from someone who thought 6-9 years ago is something to model it on. 6-9 years ago was possible the single most boring F1 we've ever had. It is in fact the only point in my life where I stopped watching F1.
The same applies to people who share your opinion, don't you think? It's a matter of personal preference and I wouldn't try to stamp mine on the rest.
What's your point?
As much as i can understand the point of @Dragonfly , he is saying that there are people that dont want opinions from someone ( you ) that consider this F1 better than 6-9 years ago. He is saying the same thing u said to me but in the opposite direction.
Correct @Dragonfly if i'm wrong

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It's interesting that Hamilton did not complain about tyres. I wonder why? Some big gaps between team-mates, it can be interesting in the race, maybe in the other direction.

Funny quote: [Grosejan]: "My first lap on options in Q1 was actually my first of the weekend with those tyres so we had to guess a little on the set up". Lotus are continuing to be a joke team. Well done, who needs practice with Pirellis? You can't have everything in a supposedly "top" team. Either updates at least one race late or good preparation on set up. Never both, or they could end up like in Malaysia despite all that effort.

Even better one from Button: "And to out-qualify both Red Bulls in Q3, and with a two-minute lap, was amazing!" :lol: Save your witticisms for Bahrain Jenson with your McLaren dictators owners.

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Nomore wrote:
beelsebob wrote:
Nomore wrote:Sorry but this is completely wrong in my opinion , 6-7-8-9 years ago (and not going furthermore) teams were not managing the same variable that they are managing now.
Sorry, but I'm simply not going to read opinions about how to improve F1 from someone who thought 6-9 years ago is something to model it on. 6-9 years ago was possible the single most boring F1 we've ever had. It is in fact the only point in my life where I stopped watching F1.
First i have only pointed out that in those years the variables were different, and not it was good or bad...please re-read my message.

Secondly If you want my opinion at which period was the F1 that i most liked, i will say : 1998-2000. It's a personal opinion that those 3 years i liked very much, like everyone can have a personal opinion.
1998 to 2000 was 15 to 13 years ago though, not 6 to 9 ;). Notably by the way, in 1998-2000 qualifying sessions with 55 minutes of nothing on track, and then 5 minutes of chaos were the absolute norm, so if you are proposing going back to those rules to fix the situation, that doesn't sound like it's a very good approach.
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Nomore wrote:
beelsebob wrote:
Dragonfly wrote:The same applies to people who share your opinion, don't you think? It's a matter of personal preference and I wouldn't try to stamp mine on the rest.
What's your point?
As much as i can understand the point of @Dragonfly , he is saying that there are people that dont want opinions from someone ( you ) that consider this F1 better than 6-9 years ago. He is saying the same thing u said to me but in the opposite direction.
Correct @Dragonfly if i'm wrong
I didn't say I didn't want to see your opinion, I said I disagreed with your opinion, and didn't want to see reasoning based on it.

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Boring quali. But it will be an interesting race because of different strategies and the crappy soft tires. If the RedBull strategy will work tomorrow, Pirelli will have to answer some serious questions after the race...

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What's Lotus's race pace like. I wonder if the podium that I predicted will come up, Hamilton 1st, Alonso 2nd, Rosberg 3rd.
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SilverArrow10 wrote:What's Lotus's race pace like. I wonder if the podium that I predicted will come up, Hamilton 1st, Alonso 2nd, Rosberg 3rd.
Lotus' looks stronger than Ferrari's but weaker than Merc's.