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Re: Who will replace Webber at Redbull?

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[...] Sure Kimi Raikkonen on paper looks to be a firm bet to take Webbers position, however we all know that from the past that two very competitive drivers in the same outfit did not always equate to a successful outcome/Championship(s) (2007 Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton) perfect ingredients for success however we saw how both of them wanted that title so bad and due to that the team suffered by means of not securing the WCC or WDC (Although this was the year of the Ferrari gate scandal thus it pulled Mclaren out of the hunt completely).
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Neno wrote:Oh my God really, wow now he is definetly signed for Red Bull now, he was on their event :shock: Ofcourse he signed, he and Vettel have greatest bromance ever, why wouldn't sign it.
they will share even same car, who knows what they will share among that. Yes, yooo-hooo! :roll:

Cut the crap, Red Bull organise 99% percent of all sports events in world. You really even if you want avoid Red Bull marketing you couldnt do that, why because when i am going in store and someone take picture of me close to fridge, and you see a bottle of Red Bull close to me, dose i look like i am going to sign for Red Bull, and share bromance? F?ck no :!:
You need to get a hold of yourself and stop overreacting to posts which involve Lotus.
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There's an urban legend that says the lotus (flower) is a drug. Perhaps he has mistaken the team for the flower and thinks this is a rehab forum.

All craziness aside, I haven't known Kimi to be a team leaver. Back when he was with McLaren, he clearly put up several years with their fragile cars, before finally saying enough is enough and going to Ferrari. Lotus is a good team, and Kimi doesn't bother jumping over the fence if the grass is only a little bit greener on the other side. I doubt he'll be in a Red Bull next year.
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raymondu999 wrote:
Neno wrote:Oh my God really, wow now he is definetly signed for Red Bull now, he was on their event :shock: Ofcourse he signed, he and Vettel have greatest bromance ever, why wouldn't sign it.
they will share even same car, who knows what they will share among that. Yes, yooo-hooo! :roll:

Cut the crap, Red Bull organise 99% percent of all sports events in world. You really even if you want avoid Red Bull marketing you couldnt do that, why because when i am going in store and someone take picture of me close to fridge, and you see a bottle of Red Bull close to me, dose i look like i am going to sign for Red Bull, and share bromance? F?ck no :!:
You need to get a hold of yourself and stop overreacting to posts which involve Lotus.
I am just overeacting on overeacting peoples (which involving me to show part of acting and showing them how stupid dose they look). I used a bit sarsacam with a bit of overeacting and tried not too be funny, because everything dose not to be joke and funny. It should be sad in this case. It's seems it worked.

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Neno wrote:
raymondu999 wrote:
Neno wrote:Oh my God really, wow now he is definetly signed for Red Bull now, he was on their event :shock: Ofcourse he signed, he and Vettel have greatest bromance ever, why wouldn't sign it.
they will share even same car, who knows what they will share among that. Yes, yooo-hooo! :roll:

Cut the crap, Red Bull organise 99% percent of all sports events in world. You really even if you want avoid Red Bull marketing you couldnt do that, why because when i am going in store and someone take picture of me close to fridge, and you see a bottle of Red Bull close to me, dose i look like i am going to sign for Red Bull, and share bromance? F?ck no :!:
You need to get a hold of yourself and stop overreacting to posts which involve Lotus.
I am just overeacting on overeacting peoples (which involving me to show part of acting and showing them how stupid dose they look). I used a bit sarsacam with a bit of overeacting and tried not too be funny, because everything dose not to be joke and funny. It should be sad in this case. It's seems it worked.
Oh my...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0[/youtube]

This is all that came to my mind...how on earth are you still here without being put on a holiday by the mod team? :?

On Topic: I'm sort of with you there Turbo...my only hesitation is that Kimi may see it as a good platform of marketability for his post F1 career...perhaps Red Bull can offer him other pathways after he leaves F1 in the distant future? Who knows!
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Neno wrote:
raymondu999 wrote:
Neno wrote:Oh my God really, wow now he is definetly signed for Red Bull now, he was on their event :shock: Ofcourse he signed, he and Vettel have greatest bromance ever, why wouldn't sign it.
they will share even same car, who knows what they will share among that. Yes, yooo-hooo! :roll:

Cut the crap, Red Bull organise 99% percent of all sports events in world. You really even if you want avoid Red Bull marketing you couldnt do that, why because when i am going in store and someone take picture of me close to fridge, and you see a bottle of Red Bull close to me, dose i look like i am going to sign for Red Bull, and share bromance? F?ck no :!:
You need to get a hold of yourself and stop overreacting to posts which involve Lotus.
I am just overeacting on overeacting peoples (which involving me to show part of acting and showing them how stupid dose they look). I used a bit sarsacam with a bit of overeacting and tried not too be funny, because everything dose not to be joke and funny. It should be sad in this case. It's seems it worked.
Offtopic : Neno , you can make your point by argumenting with facts and not by insulting people who have another pov, while you think yours is the correct one.
Now I'll stop feeding flaimbaits and trolls :)


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To behonest I don't think Kimi will go for redbull because they have a diffirent way of contracting the drivers. They tend to work with bonusses and clauses related to performance instead of a standerd paycheck like some other teams.
[*] reference : http://lmgtfy.com/?q=redbull+f1+contract+clauses

I don't think Kimi will be eager to sign somthing like that but would be more interested in shares of a team like williams
[*] reference : http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2011/11/ ... raikkonen/.

And honestly I don't think RedBull will offer him shares ;-)

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Lol i dont think TOO much should be put into raikkonen going to a red bull event, lol specially considering when he was in rallying he was in a red bull team himself.

I was recently reading a GREAT article about how the saga between Alonso, Raikkonen, and Schumacher in 2006 ended with Schumi having to retire, and the power struggles in ferrari that led to Kimi's appointment, and...

If this article reminded me of anything is that, there is no chance in hell an argument of Kimi going to Ferrari can be made, i dont think i see him going back to Mclaren and money may have a big part to do in this. So i decide to concentrate on Kimi on this thread despite not backtracking myself to read more into other's thoughts as to possible drivers just to say that considering that Kimi wants a championship winning car, if he doesnt stay with Lotus its pretty clear i think that the only options for 2014 would be either stay with lotus or go to red bull.

In the article i read, im not sure if (Robertson i believe his name was) is still Raikkonen's manager but if he is, im sure they will try to get Kimi some good money and a good car, and this is where i think the RBR lights can start flashing.

Apart from this i know that Vettel is seems to be pretty friendly with Raikkonen, Raikkonen wants to aspire for world titles and this may happen.

Its certainly possible. The driver competivity is of course a note to take on but i think with their relationship and with what i see in teams where Lewis Hamilton has been in recently where he has a very good relationship with his team mates, Kimi is the most tantalizing prospect here.

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Wow - this whole Kimi rumour is out of control. Seems vaguely familiar. Here's some headlines from a while ago. Ring any bells?

• RUMOR: A Red Bull and Vodka for 2010 - "First, though, one last time: This story is a major rumor, which right now is solely in the hands of Germany’s Sports Bild."
• Raikkonen to Red Bull in F1 2010 as McLaren talks stall? - "Ex-F1 World Champion Kimi Raikkonen could be set for a surprise switch to Red Bull Racing in 2010, it has been rumoured – as the Finn's discussions with former employers McLaren-Mercedes appear to have hit deadlock over his financial demands"
• Raikkonen Red Bull Challenge 2010 – Kimi goes window shopping in Japan - "The occasion was another Red Bull Challenge just before the start of Rally Japan, which gave Kimi the chance to sample an electric go-kart in a shopping centre near the famous Sapporo Dome."

The facts:
• On 4 December 2009, it was announced that Räikkönen would shift from Formula 1 to the World Rally Championship for the 2010 season as a full-time driver for the Citroën Junior Team,[62] and that he would be driving a Red Bull-sponsored Citroën C4 WRC with his co-driver, Kaj Lindström.

So since (at least) 2009, Kimi has been in some kind of contract with Red Bull. It's a relatively simple step to accept that the contract (in some form) has continued on until today. Just because he drives for another team, does not necessarily mean he isn't still under contract with Red Bull still. Although there's no evidence online of a contract to prove it - it makes the most sense. It's quite possible RedBull wanted to see how he went at Lotus. They have to have a succession plan for Mark - that's prudent. Doesn't mean he'll drive an RB10.
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Dont take it as if the talks are getting illogical and repetitive, the rumors are there and also some logical reasoning behind a possible move so dont make it seem like talking about it is not appropriate, because now that preposition would be ridiculous.

It doesnt mean he will move, but theres enough material to make discussion.

This is like u telling me Cristiano Ronaldo has been rumored to move to madrid in 2006 but failed to do so in 06, 07 , 08, and half of 09, but he still went there lol, some rumors have bull logic behind them, but the kimi to rbr discussion is logical to be had even without these contracts with red bull u speak of.

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Spore F1 wrote:Dont take it as if the talks are getting illogical and repetitive, the rumors are there and also some logical reasoning behind a possible move so dont make it seem like talking about it is not appropriate, because now that preposition would be ridiculous.

It doesnt mean he will move, but theres enough material to make discussion.

This is like u telling me Cristiano Ronaldo has been rumored to move to madrid in 2006 but failed to do so in 06, 07 , 08, and half of 09, but he still went there lol, some rumors have bull logic behind them, but the kimi to rbr discussion is logical to be had even without these contracts with red bull u speak of.
Whether Kimi goes there or not, while it would surprise me, it really doesn't bother me. What does bother me is the at lack of well thought out arguments and evidence either way. The rumour of Kimi going to RedBull in 2010 was not realistic, yet it was talked up. Skip to now - second verse, same as the first. You only have to look back at interviews from RedBull as to how they determine driver line up. Hamilton is a great example with lots of great reasoning from RedBull as to why he wouldn't fit in. The 2 TR guys who were booted - again, sound reasoning. All of which is in the public domain - none of which seems to have been considered with the opinions in here. RedBull have been actually quite consistent with their approach and statements on this subject. Which is why these rumours, and perpetuation of such, surprise me.

To say 'where's theres' smoke, there's fire' is foolish really. For all any of us know, it's fog - marketing fog at that.
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Cam wrote:
Spore F1 wrote:Dont take it as if the talks are getting illogical and repetitive, the rumors are there and also some logical reasoning behind a possible move so dont make it seem like talking about it is not appropriate, because now that preposition would be ridiculous.

It doesnt mean he will move, but theres enough material to make discussion.

This is like u telling me Cristiano Ronaldo has been rumored to move to madrid in 2006 but failed to do so in 06, 07 , 08, and half of 09, but he still went there lol, some rumors have bull logic behind them, but the kimi to rbr discussion is logical to be had even without these contracts with red bull u speak of.
Whether Kimi goes there or not, while it would surprise me, it really doesn't bother me. What does bother me is the at lack of well thought out arguments and evidence either way. The rumour of Kimi going to RedBull in 2010 was not realistic, yet it was talked up. Skip to now - second verse, same as the first. You only have to look back at interviews from RedBull as to how they determine driver line up. Hamilton is a great example with lots of great reasoning from RedBull as to why he wouldn't fit in. The 2 TR guys who were booted - again, sound reasoning. All of which is in the public domain - none of which seems to have been considered with the opinions in here. RedBull have been actually quite consistent with their approach and statements on this subject. Which is why these rumours, and perpetuation of such, surprise me.

To say 'where's theres' smoke, there's fire' is foolish really. For all any of us know, it's fog - marketing fog at that.
Unless theres some convincing evidence, enough to show as to y Kimi to red bull is if anything impossible, then the possibility should be mentioned.

If he does leave lotus, where can he go?

I respect and i think i understand where u r coming from ( basically saying redbull have a prepositioned way of choosing their drivers, and theres no fundamental evidence to prove kimis going anywhere) but hey, if kimi wants to go to another team and if redbull allow it, i dont think its impossible. Never did i say that just because hes driven a redbull car in rallying before, or just because he goes to these events, does it mean hes in talks with redbull.

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Red Bull Racing's Mark Webber has decided to call time on his F1 career and will quit at the end of the 2013 F1 season, it has been claimed.
http://www.crash.net/f1/news/190804/1/w ... eport.html

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I wouldn't take it too serious. The original report came from The Daily Star, basicilly a gossip newspaper/tabloid. Being wrong is their second name.
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From Crash article: "confided in close friends" Some nice, close friends Webber has, if it's even true. He can't take a break, can he? This is classic Mateschitz/Red Bull driver support, they screw him, lie in general, lie about team orders (again), then quickly announce his possible replacements.

BTW what happened to Hulkenberg rumour? No one is selling it at the moment, is he too good or what? They brought conveniently Raikkonen after it turned out Lotus has a handy car. Why didn't they mention it before the season? Let them play with stupid Lotus folks.

Vergne is a bit of a mess, Ricciardo had some qualy highlights but it's hard to say more about him. One: TR is in a competitive no man's land most of the time, two: his only reference point is Vergne. D.R. might be solid enough, but the question is if any other top or not a top team would want to hire him. Apart from Marko. Why not get Maldonado for example? Very fast and proved he was able to handle pressure when it mattered (Barcelona). If only RB's criteria were healthy.

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From Crash article: "confided in close friends" Some nice, close friends Webber has, if it's even true. He can't take a break, can he? This is classic Mateschitz/Red Bull driver support, they screw him, lie in general, lie about team orders (again), then quickly announce his possible replacements.
Again Crash got their info out of a The Daily Star article, a tabloid with very little credibility. What they call "a close friend" could just as well be a random tourist who had by chance neighbouring hotel chambers with Webber last year at Monaco. I am not saying whether or not Webber leaves, but that article is not any indication for both.

Just a friendly reminder to everyone: always check the original source of an article, and check the credibility of it. It'll help with identifying what is more likely real and what is less likely. This is especially true for English newspapers/tabloids: You have on one side the likes of The Sun, The Daily Star,... who are basicilly fancy gossip papers. On the other side you have good credible newspapers like The Guardian, The Times, etc.
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