Fernando Alonso has converted a four stop Ferrari strategy to win the Spanish Grand Prix after a 5th place start on the grid. Kimi Raikkonen finished second on a three stopper while Felipe Massa completes Ferrari's party by finishing in third place.
muhammadtalha-13 wrote:If it was the same for everybody, then why Vettel was o good in Bahrain and not here?
Because Alonso had a broken DRS in Bahrain and not here. Without that, Bahrain's winner should have been the same one than today.
As a ferrari fan not 100% sure that Alonso would had won( possible...but not too much sure) Bahrain without DRS problem( but a 2nd place almost guaranteed)...in the "stop and go" tracks RB seems to use better the tires...without the DRS problem and the bad luck (because a small incident led to a 0 points) in Malaysia he would be leading comfortable the WDC now
JamtriX wrote:Its the same for everybody. Come on. Ferrari just did a great job today. Its just that. Don't blame the tires, haters..
If it was the same for everybody, then why Vettel was o good in Bahrain and not here?
Because Alonso never got his chance in Bahrain.
“To be able to actually make something is awfully nice”
Bruce McLaren on building his first McLaren racecars, 1970
“I've got to be careful what I say, but possibly to probably Juan would have had a bigger go”
Sir Frank Williams after the 2003 Canadian GP, where Ralf hesitated to pass brother M. Schumacher
muhammadtalha-13 wrote:If it was the same for everybody, then why Vettel was o good in Bahrain and not here?
Because Alonso had a broken DRS in Bahrain and not here. Without that, Bahrain's winner should have been the same one than today.
As a ferrari fan not 100% sure that Alonso would had won( possible...but not too much sure) Bahrain without DRS problem( but a 2nd place almost guaranteed)...in the "stop and go" tracks RB seems to use better the tires...without the DRS problem and the bad luck (because a small incident led to a 0 points) in Malaysia he would be leading comfortable the WDC now
This I agree. IMO on rear-limited tracks, RBR > Ferrari. On front limited tracks, Ferrari > RBR. IMO this is extremely clear cut.
Nowaday I am following the FIA FT series , GP2 and WRC. Even Paul Hembry was not happy today and looks like no one is complaining to him just that everyone is giving him a sarcastic look . He said that they will think of changing the compound by Silverstone .
I think the problem is the construction of the tyres because delaminating is a serious safety risk and if the structure bonding process is not good enough then we can see a US 2005 like failures .
Excellent driving by ALO and RAI he was always going in for 4 stops and made excellent gap on SEB after passing ROS. May be Ferrari like front end limited tracks more relatively. I was really annoyed at looking at the 7th ratio of RB 12kph difference is too much when you don't have that much downforce advantage over rivals(I mean couldn't use that much downforce in race). RB should try a bit better top ratio and 5-7kph difference should be good enough for most circuits .
Pirelli please get more durable tyres (not bridgestone durable), I want to see a happy driver at the end of the race .
Because they're reporters. Bad news sells. Good news is boring.
Agree and also is good to see that there are also "non Ferrari" supporter that don't buy the "is all fault to the tires"
I still blame the tyres, but I don't hold that thanks to this race. I have been against them since Day 1. If, however, with the hardest possible tyre choices (medium/hard) 4 stops come as a mainstream choice - something has to change IMO.
I don't get all this tosh about harder tyres favoring RBR or softer tyres favoring Lotus etc. Both extremes of team (high/low tyre usage) will benefit equally, and in the relative race picture shouldn't really change much
Agree to change the tires since Australia 2011, if we have to change the tires we should change them correctly and unfortunately eliminate the 2 last championship...it is sad but true.
If we have to do this, then we have to do it correctly because we can not say that in 2011, 2012 (same as 2013) are ok and 2013 are not ok,when the same manufacturer produce them.
We should ask team bosses:
Should we eliminate the 2011 championship, 2012 championship and the 2013 championship till now for tires problems ?
So Pirelli are going to makes changes to the tyres yet again for the British GP. Tyres are just a moving target and the team who best hits the moving performance window on the weekend wins.
Because Alonso had a broken DRS in Bahrain and not here. Without that, Bahrain's winner should have been the same one than today.[/quote]
As a ferrari fan not 100% sure that Alonso would had won( possible...but not too much sure) Bahrain without DRS problem( but a 2nd place almost guaranteed)...in the "stop and go" tracks RB seems to use better the tires...without the DRS problem and the bad luck (because a small incident led to a 0 points) in Malaysia he would be leading comfortable the WDC now[/quote]
This I agree. IMO on rear-limited tracks, RBR > Ferrari. On front limited tracks, Ferrari > RBR. IMO this is extremely clear cut.[/quote]
Not so sure(for me is 50%-50%) that in real - limited BR>Ferrari...but we will have some races to certify that ..Canada one of this.
As a ferrari fan not 100% sure that Alonso would had won( possible...but not too much sure) Bahrain without DRS problem( but a 2nd place almost guaranteed)...in the "stop and go" tracks RB seems to use better the tires...without the DRS problem and the bad luck (because a small incident led to a 0 points) in Malaysia he would be leading comfortable the WDC now
This I agree. IMO on rear-limited tracks, RBR > Ferrari. On front limited tracks, Ferrari > RBR. IMO this is extremely clear cut.
Not so sure(for me is 50%-50%) that in real - limited BR>Ferrari...but we will have some races to certify that ..Canada one of this.
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andreag wrote:
Because Alonso had a broken DRS in Bahrain and not here. Without that, Bahrain's winner should have been the same one than today.
As a ferrari fan not 100% sure that Alonso would had won( possible...but not too much sure) Bahrain without DRS problem( but a 2nd place almost guaranteed)...in the "stop and go" tracks RB seems to use better the tires...without the DRS problem and the bad luck (because a small incident led to a 0 points) in Malaysia he would be leading comfortable the WDC now
This I agree. IMO on rear-limited tracks, RBR > Ferrari. On front limited tracks, Ferrari > RBR. IMO this is extremely clear cut.
Probably right, but I think Ferrari have a larger advantage on "front limited" tracks than Red Bull do on the "rear limited" tracks. After all, Alonso beat Vettel in Melbourne and we have no proof that Alonso couldn't beat Vettel at Sepang and Bahrain.
“To be able to actually make something is awfully nice”
Bruce McLaren on building his first McLaren racecars, 1970
“I've got to be careful what I say, but possibly to probably Juan would have had a bigger go”
Sir Frank Williams after the 2003 Canadian GP, where Ralf hesitated to pass brother M. Schumacher
Sombrero wrote:The best thing that Pirelli can do is to go away in 2014... and never return !
Alonso pushed hard all day. He wasn't saving tires. The people that couldn't push were in that boat because of their strategy.
“To be able to actually make something is awfully nice”
Bruce McLaren on building his first McLaren racecars, 1970
“I've got to be careful what I say, but possibly to probably Juan would have had a bigger go”
Sir Frank Williams after the 2003 Canadian GP, where Ralf hesitated to pass brother M. Schumacher
Probably right, but I think Ferrari have a larger advantage on "front limited" tracks than Red Bull do on the "rear limited" tracks. After all, Alonso beat Vettel in Melbourne and we have no proof that Alonso couldn't beat Vettel at Sepang and Bahrain.
Agree, and i think Canada we will give a clear picture...hoping that none on Alonso and vettel hits problems
Pierce89 & Tomba - I agree. It was a good race for strategy, different teams on different strategies. The suspense of not knowing how it will play out until we got to the final laps.
First time in a decade that i switched from watching a F1 race. This isn't the sport it used to be. Every single driver getting told to hold off and not to race. When Vettel got the message and let Kimi trough is was fed up and switched to football. It's getting really retarded this so called F1 king of motorsports. 22 drivers doing a procession on sunday and the funniest part is that some pundits say this is the best RACING that have seen in F1 for a long time. This formula is scam, because no one is racing. F1 has been less entertaining since the Pirelli's. The cars aren't even been pushed to the limit 9-10 sec a lap slower then quali, how can you call that racing. Now days the race is on Saturday I find Quali more exciting then the race. First of all no one knows who is racing who, only the race engineers know who their drivers are racing. Even the drivers don't know who they are racing...... F1 now days is a show instead off a battle between the quickest drivers where the drivers and the cars are the limiting factor, but now days the tyres dominate the race.
Maybe the hardcore fans need to make their voices heard, because our be loving sport is slowly getting pulled a way from the hardcore fans. I want to see hardcore racing i want to hear the commentators commenting on a long duel between the best drivers not a DRS move or drivers simply pulling to the side to preserve their tyres that's ridiculous. I haven't seen a real battle between top drivers for 2 years. This scam should not be even called F1, because this stains the brand and reputation of Formula 1.
Martin Brundle was spot on when he saw the footage of Raikonnen "racing", its pathetic he driving like an old lady on the M1....no commitment whatsoever. How is it possible that the fastest cars in Qualifying are not even fast in the race, since i have watched F1 if have never witnessed anything like that. Red Bull and Merc have built the fastest cars but come racing they can't extract the maximum because that causes the tyres to degrade.....
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richard_leeds wrote:Pierce89 & Tomba - I agree. It was a good race for strategy, different teams on different strategies. The suspense of not knowing how it will play out until we got to the final laps.
