2013 Spanish Grand Prix - Barcelona

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langwadt
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turbof1 wrote:Again you are focussing too much on the story and not on the message. He basicilly said tyres made the sport random, which I agree with; it's just madning that you have front grid lockout, but fall back to sixth and twelfth just because the tyres aren't working. We had on average 4 to 5 stops. 4 to 5 stops, that's just too much. Racing should be decided on track, not in the pits!

I'd much rather have the old Schumacher era back. Back then we had one car dominating the field. This race we had one car dominating the field, with the addition that the field was not brutally fighting eachother, but asking with a frightened voice over the radio of they are allowed to defend their position.

Lewis replying to his engineer that he couldn't drive any slower pretty much sums it up ...

VIZSLA
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turbof1 wrote:Again you are focussing too much on the story and not on the message. He basicilly said tyres made the sport random, which I agree with; it's just madning that you have front grid lockout, but fall back to sixth and twelfth just because the tyres aren't working. We had on average 4 to 5 stops. 4 to 5 stops, that's just too much. Racing should be decided on track, not in the pits!

I'd much rather have the old Schumacher era back. Back then we had one car dominating the field. This race we had one car dominating the field, with the addition that the field was not brutally fighting eachother, but asking with a frightened voice over the radio of they are allowed to defend their position.
Tires and pit stops have always been part of F1. It's the randomness of today's Pirellis that takes the sport out of things.
Unfortunately the emphasis is on the show (particularly the TV show) not the sport.

thevlack
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We need to realize that F1 is not longer the Pinacle of Motorsport, instead is BIG BROTHER... just a reality show to make money.. perhaps in some period (50's, 60's) if was but today is filled with little stars, money and need US to feed their pockets.

we (the fans) feed this "charade" so its not the teams, tyres, engines... the problem its F1.

And there is not the races are boring...instead is the whole package, hard for new teams/constructors to enter the sport and hold on there, its hard for new faces to enter the sport (wallet) and so on...

Sorry that I drop this here, but I'm feel "let down" because the races are not races... because you DONT RACE, you just HOLD ON... its like mini endurances ...

:(

GrizzleBoy
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Almost anybody who watched the GP2 feature race yesterday knows that F1 is actually no longer about racing.

GP2 race yesterday was many more times more entertaining and the racing actually made sense in terms of actually watching a motor race.

Touristas
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langwadt wrote:
Lewis replying to his engineer that he couldn't drive any slower pretty much sums it up ...
and Vettel being closely followed by a Marussia for a couple of laps at the end of a stint :shock:

TV viewers didn't enjoy the race,and spectators???do they even realise what is happening?

i couldn't keep up with all the pit stops and grid positions changing constantly...it seemed like every lap someone was pitting...and keep in mind we had the two harder tyres in Barcelona...a set of extra softs here would last for what?
2 laps before shredding to pieces?

and a rear tyre failure again on the Torro Rosso...how many so far Pirelli???4-5???unacceptable :evil:

Richard
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GrizzleBoy wrote:Almost anybody who watched the GP2 feature race yesterday knows that F1 is actually no longer about racing.

GP2 race yesterday was many more times more entertaining and the racing actually made sense in terms of actually watching a motor race.
Possibly because the GP2 cars are less developed so don't suffer from the inevitable evolutionary stalemate we see in F1? http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/ ... -your-luck

More of that here :arrow: http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... =1&t=14972

andartop
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After watching today's race I can't help thinking what it would look like to someone who was watching F1 for the first time. How could I answer the following?

- Why are the two cars who were faster in qualifying being overtaken by everyone?
- Why do they have to change their tires so many times?
- Why do they need KERS and DRS to overtake if one car is 4 seconds per lap faster than the other?
- Why are they all going so slow compared to what they did in qualifying?
- Why are they letting other cars overtake so easily?
- If they change tires so often, how come there are still so many punctures? Is that not dangerous?

I am a Ferrari fan and should really be happy with the result today. Well, I did feel happy to hear the crowds cheer Alonso, but hardly felt any excitement throughout the whole race. I don't like comparing different eras and saying we should go back to the Schumi days, the Senna days or whichever days, but I can see that something is fundamentally wrong. No, I don't enjoy watching my favorite driver taking the lead of a race because he is 4 seconds per lap faster than his rival when his rival qualified ahead of him.

Problem is, radically changing the tires now would be completely unfair, as it will certainly help some teams more than others, and may severely affect the championship. So I'll say what I've been saying for a while now:

All the teams together should gather evidence from press articles, video footage and online forums like this one and demand the FIA and Pirelli are punished for bringing the sport into disrepute, demanding huge amounts of money as compensation for being ridiculed. The only bit that would be hard to defend in a court would be the use of the word "sport" when referring to modern day Formula 1.
The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. H.P.Lovecraft

VIZSLA
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Today's race is important for at least one reason.
Ferrari proved that you can put racing over tire management and win.

Of course Pirelli now says that they want to "correct" that. So I'll enjoy it while I can.

radosav
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VIZSLA wrote:Today's race is important for at least one reason.
Ferrari proved that you can put racing over tire management and win.

Of course Pirelli now says that they want to "correct" that. So I'll enjoy it while I can.
i don't think Ferrari will allow it. if they have a right to veto it, they will do it. Lotus too.

GrizzleBoy
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VIZSLA wrote:Today's race is important for at least one reason.
Ferrari proved that you can put racing over tire management and win.

Of course Pirelli now says that they want to "correct" that. So I'll enjoy it while I can.
They did?

What racing did they do?

VIZSLA
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radosav wrote:
VIZSLA wrote:Today's race is important for at least one reason.
Ferrari proved that you can put racing over tire management and win.

Of course Pirelli now says that they want to "correct" that. So I'll enjoy it while I can.
i don't think Ferrari will allow it. if they have a right to veto it, they will do it. Lotus too.
Not sure that the Ferrari veto extends to that level.
In any case if push comes to shove they'll join rank with the rest of the teams, put on a happy face and do what's good for business.

radosav
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GrizzleBoy wrote:
VIZSLA wrote:Today's race is important for at least one reason.
Ferrari proved that you can put racing over tire management and win.

Of course Pirelli now says that they want to "correct" that. So I'll enjoy it while I can.
They did?

What racing did they do?
Read it please and say your opinion, i agree with this guy!
http://willthef1journo.wordpress.com/20 ... e-changer/

VIZSLA
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GrizzleBoy wrote:
VIZSLA wrote:Today's race is important for at least one reason.
Ferrari proved that you can put racing over tire management and win.

Of course Pirelli now says that they want to "correct" that. So I'll enjoy it while I can.
They did?

What racing did they do?
Not the kind we used to see but more (in relation to tire management at least) than we're used to these days.

radosav
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VIZSLA wrote:
radosav wrote:
VIZSLA wrote:Today's race is important for at least one reason.
Ferrari proved that you can put racing over tire management and win.

Of course Pirelli now says that they want to "correct" that. So I'll enjoy it while I can.
i don't think Ferrari will allow it. if they have a right to veto it, they will do it. Lotus too.
Not sure that the Ferrari veto extends to that level.
In any case if push comes to shove they'll join rank with the rest of the teams, put on a happy face and do what's good for business.
before introducing new hard compound in Barcelona , Pirelli said that they need aproval from all teams, and they got it.
so from there i expect the same thing for future re-designes of tyres!

CHT
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For the sake of F1 viewership, I am sure Bernie will fix the tire issue before the next race.