McLaren MP4-28 Mercedes

[trinidefender]

Just out of curiosity what was jensons fastest lap, average lap time and qualifying lap time in the mp4-28 this year compared to last years mp4-27 at monaco?

[ringo]

I noticed this year that the monaco package isn't as extreme on any of the cars. Must be to do with the low limits of the pirelli tyre. The tyre can't take the downforce maybe?

[Kiril Varbanov]

I noticed this year that the monaco package isn't as extreme on any of the cars. Must be to do with the low limits of the pirelli tyre. The tyre can't take the downforce maybe?

I'm more inclined to think that teams don't care that much about Monaco, except for the shiny new helmets on the drivers. I mean, it's hardly worth investing in high downforce package if you know you can't overtake anyone?

[Huntresa]

Has anyone done a proper monaco package after 2009 rules?

[adwebb22]

I noticed this year that the monaco package isn't as extreme on any of the cars. Must be to do with the low limits of the pirelli tyre. The tyre can't take the downforce maybe?

I'm more inclined to think that teams don't care that much about Monaco, except for the shiny new helmets on the drivers. I mean, it's hardly worth investing in high downforce package if you know you can't overtake anyone?

with these new rules the teams just can't put more downforse on the car , they already put everything they have , in the past they used to put an extra wings somewhere on the cars , today the rules just don't let them do so !!

[allstaruk08]

i disagree, the team can put the have specific wings that work best at maximum AOA and have a large DRS flap, no they cant just slap wings on but they can optimise the car for maximum downforce

[adwebb22]

i disagree, the team can put the have specific wings that work best at maximum AOA and have a large DRS flap, no they cant just slap wings on but they can optimise the car for maximum downforce

yes they can put on wings that give them maximum downforse . but it is not specific for monaco . the wing and set up they use here are used on all high downforce circuits more or less , the teams don't waste time doing any part that work only on one circuit , with no in season testing i think the teams can't afford to waste any track time on parts that work just for gp .. i think probably the only gp they do spesific parts for is monza

[myurr]

With the resource restrictions the possible benefit probably isn't worth the expense in terms of wind tunnel and CFD time. They're better off working on the package as a whole.

[SectorOne]

You´d probably gain more by extracting as much mechanical grip from the car as possible.

[Cam]

You´d probably gain more by extracting as much mechanical grip from the car as possible.

Looks like Whitmarsh agrees with you:

After Monaco comment: "The interesting thing coming here was we actually had reasonable stability under braking, and reasonable traction, which is basically where we were being killed previously.

[Pup]

I think you guys have it backwards. The Monaco package seems less extreme because they pretty much run it everywhere now. With DRS and the cars not running full tilt, drag isn't as much of a penalty as it has been, so downforce reins supreme probably everywhere but Monza I'd thnk. In fact, I was really surprised at the amount of wing McLaren ran at Monza last year.

[Huntresa]

I think you guys have it backwards. The Monaco package seems less extreme because they pretty much run it everywhere now. With DRS and the cars not running full tilt, drag isn't as much of a penalty as it has been, so downforce reins supreme probably everywhere but Monza I'd thnk. In fact, I was really surprised at the amount of wing McLaren ran at Monza last year.

Didnt they run more RW on Button then Hamilton or was that in 2011?

[turbof1]

That was Spa 2012.

[onewingedangel]

Didnt they run more RW on Button then Hamilton or was that in 2011?

Monza 2010 - Button with big wing with F-duct, Hamilton skinny wing without.

[SectorOne]

2011 i think both ran the same wing but had more AoA then most other teams.