Mercedes Engines!!!

[Irvingthien]

Well that's three in a row for Kimi...what he h*ll are they doing!! Changed the engine once this weekend and still not enough to finish 10 laps..what a flop!!! I say sack the whole team and do a restructuring in the engine department.

[seymour]

Its time to bring the 17D back.

[Scuderia_Russ]

Doesn't look good lads.Not only do they not have the speed,but they don't have reliability either.Williams have the speed but not the reliability and Ferrari have the lot! You've got to hand it to Mercedes quality control,stirling job fellas. Norbert Haug doesn't exactly cushion the blow with the press by stating that what was clearly an engine failure...err wasn't an engine failure. Best race of the season yet though,almost as much action as Silverstone last year!! If you were Mr.Toyota,would you pay Ralf Schumacher £60M for five years work? I know i wouldn't!!

[Guest]

A lot has been said about the Mercedes engines & mostly if not all the time in a negative way - and quite rightly so.

I'm certain the FO 110Q engine passes its tests on the benchmarks/testbeds but once its fitted into the chassis it doesn't last the distance & loses power dramatically over time!!

As Raikkonen said back in February they've got engine integration problems...

I remember Martin Whitmarsh say at the Rollout of MP4-19 that it featured a 'fast engine change'. May be it was a mistake designing the chassis around this...???

[Aradea]

Mr. Haug should resign if things don't get any better in the European races.. its an awfull performance by a top team in F1. People in Mercedes should talk to Adrian Newey about this chassis-engine integration problem or Mclaren surely wont even in the final five spot of the constructors championship.
Btw, I think now Montoya will think over his decision to move to Mclaren next year & Patrick Head will laugh his ass off !!

[bored]

i don't know about you people, but this season sucks - BIG TIME!

care to join me in a game of pool or basketball?

[Guest]

they have an excellent chasis they only need an engine to go with that...currently it looks like they've salvaged the engine off the junkyard!

[F1freak]

Is the MP4-19 engine significantly different than the MP4-17D engine in terms of construction (like Renault's angel change)? If not, can't Mclaren just modify the MP4-17D engine (which was a lot more reliable) and use that till they figure out the problems with their current engine? The reason I ask is because, it feels like their newer engines barely make the same hp/revs as the older model and are less reliable.

[Guest]

its probably a combination of both the car and the engine because mercedes just builds the internals for the engine not that actual tranny or cooling systems of the car which is where i think the problem is

[marcush.]

I bet all those questions have been asked already .
the engine is a good target as it is a politically strong wapon and sorry ,we can see from renault that you do not really need those revs and power to be at the sharp end of the grid.
But you need reliability and that is what hurts the whole programme.
Hearing how coulthard frankly sais in an interview that the chassis and the engine ar a heap of --- having no grip at the front,no traction no balanceone has to ask what they didd test over 14oookm in the winter.And what the competetent test drivers de la rosa and wurz are worth,if they cannot judge the gains made and thumb on the table if things go into the wrong direction....perhaps they were not aware of the trouble they were going in.
Integration?I´m sure the mclaren is on paper the best integrated design,but you have to remember Neway was lured back from Jaguar for a lot of money and coughlans last design did not even make it to the grid of a grandprix....the pressure is high and possibly people ask if the lead figures have lost the plot in the last year.....the same at mercedes where contradicting design philosophies are working against each other in an for the outsider unstructured way.If the leaders in the company do not pull in one direction how on earth can the hundrets of employees do that????
A good thing at the weekend was seeing Mario illien at the track chatting with Mclaren team members ,hopefully he will reagain control of the development of the engine programme so mercedes starts to finish races again.

[West]

I guess Mercedes builds their engines like they do their cars: crap quality and sh*tty electronics.

[rob2004]

I'm very intregued buy the .... erm 'package failures' of the mclaren-mercedes.

One aspect of which is the fact that they all happened -well bar a leakage for dc late in the race- on Kimi's car.
As far as for the race yesterday i can assume that kimi may have had less rev limitations as he didn't have to do many laps...which also explains that he only did one lap in anger in qualy's - is there any data to support/disprove that -

Does anyone think that there is a difference in the cars or the drivers(style?) between kimi and DC?

as far as f1freak's typo is concerned maybe it is, renault had a change of angle, and McL hasn't had an angel on their side

[Guest]

KR & DC use their engines differently. They have/use different engines mappings in terms of setup. That's what De La Rosa said in a pre-season interview!!

I think Illmor should design engines with RAIKKONEN written on it in bold.

[West]

KR & DC use their engines differently. They have/use different engines mappings in terms of setup. That's what De La Rosa said in a pre-season interview!!

I think Illmor should design engines with RAIKKONEN written on it in bold.

They probably do label them like that. They probably put a "RAIKKONEN" decal over a "DEFECTIVE" badging on their engines.

[Guest]

does anyone out there honestly believe mclaren can get back on their feet this season and at least battle for podium instead for some measly points with saubers and jaguars its humiliating for the team...and very sad for their fans...i honestly hope they can get regular podiums soon