Silly Season 2013/14

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Kiril Varbanov
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Re: Who will replace Webber at Redbull?

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I'm hearing from people with badges that Kimi is almost certain for RBR, currently there are negotiations on the price. On my subsequent question: "Is he greedy?" the answer was: "No, he is just aware of his actual price".
Let's see ...

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Bob Brown
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Re: Who will replace Webber at Redbull?

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Kiril Varbanov wrote:I'm hearing from people with badges that Kimi is almost certain for RBR, currently there are negotiations on the price. On my subsequent question: "Is he greedy?" the answer was: "No, he is just aware of his actual price".
Let's see ...
Hmm.. interesting. So just like every negotiation RBR is starting at the lowball price and Kimi don't play that ish :lol:
I was thinking that the whole PR thing would be easy to solve for Kimi and RBR since just dump it all on Seb and thus really showing off Seb as the #1 and face of the team which they want to do and they can just stop critics by justifying that it is because Kimi doesn't like PR and not because they favor Seb more than him even though they do.

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Re: Who will replace Webber at Redbull?

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Bob Brown wrote:
Kiril Varbanov wrote:I'm hearing from people with badges that Kimi is almost certain for RBR, currently there are negotiations on the price. On my subsequent question: "Is he greedy?" the answer was: "No, he is just aware of his actual price".
Let's see ...
Hmm.. interesting. So just like every negotiation RBR is starting at the lowball price and Kimi don't play that ish :lol:
I was thinking that the whole PR thing would be easy to solve for Kimi and RBR since just dump it all on Seb and thus really showing off Seb as the #1 and face of the team which they want to do and they can just stop critics by justifying that it is because Kimi doesn't like PR and not because they favor Seb more than him even though they do.
really depends on what type of PR. AFAIK, Redbull PR usually involve extreme sports and extreme party. So it should suit Kimi perfectly.

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iotar__
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Bob Brown wrote:Red Bull's going to go get Grosjean. Pay him dirt cheap and just have him crash into all of Vettel's competitors. Won't really be team orders because Grosjean does it on a regular basis already.
Too young, too good and too fast for a second fiddle driver at Red Bull. Current pathological situation regarding updates and other things at Lotus can't be repeated in any slightly normal team. Even Vettel's but also Newey's Red Bull, too professional.

Quoting C. Horner: "Bloody quick". Not quite consistent but very quick is the opposite of what Red Bull want.

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iotar__ wrote:
Bob Brown wrote:Red Bull's going to go get Grosjean. Pay him dirt cheap and just have him crash into all of Vettel's competitors. Won't really be team orders because Grosjean does it on a regular basis already.
Too young, too good and too fast for a second fiddle driver at Red Bull. Current pathological situation regarding updates and other things at Lotus can't be repeated in any slightly normal team. Even Vettel's but also Newey's Red Bull, too professional.

Quoting C. Horner: "Bloody quick". Not quite consistent but very quick is the opposite of what Red Bull want.
Too good?? .... Right :)

A rusty Kimi more than doubled Grosjean's points last year. This year it is even more lopsided. 6-1 in favor of Kimi in qualy and 88-26 in points. Grosjean will be lucky if he can keep his Lotus drive...

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iotar__
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LionKing wrote:
iotar__ wrote:
Bob Brown wrote:Red Bull's going to go get Grosjean. Pay him dirt cheap and just have him crash into all of Vettel's competitors. Won't really be team orders because Grosjean does it on a regular basis already.
Too young, too good and too fast for a second fiddle driver at Red Bull. Current pathological situation regarding updates and other things at Lotus can't be repeated in any slightly normal team. Even Vettel's but also Newey's Red Bull, too professional.

Quoting C. Horner: "Bloody quick". Not quite consistent but very quick is the opposite of what Red Bull want.
Too good?? .... Right :)

A rusty Kimi more than doubled Grosjean's points last year. This year it is even more lopsided. 6-1 in favor of Kimi in qualy and 88-26 in points. Grosjean will be lucky if he can keep his Lotus drive...
[I didn't notice Red Bull talking about R.G. apart from "bloody quick" comment, so to make it quick and not dirges Red Bull replacing Webber topic]

Needing THREE team orders that achieved nothing, ONE major update they didn't bother to provide to both drivers (already doubled or tripled this season), one missed race and DNF in Valencia for a possible win. While being overall out-qualified and out-raced on plenty of occasions.

You can cling to rustiness excuse (this season is exactly the same) and points counting, I only hope Raikkonen won't be rusty next season and won't need any extra pathological team management advantages. Whatever car he'll be driving, for "marketing reasons" as I read in this very thread, and at the ripe age of 34.

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1. Grosjean is not young. I've seen this come up several times and I can only conclude that those who say and write it know exactly what his obvious shortcomings are, but they want to put about some feeble argument that he will miraculously turn into some worldbeater. At the same age Raikkonen was winning races and well on the way to a championship.

2. Considering that Grosjean is on a continual three race rolling review in order to keep his drive at Lotus anyone suggesting he is too good for Red Bull and Vettel needs to lay off the psychotropics.

3. Despite showing brief flashes of speed, especially over single laps, he simply isn't consistently fast. When he tries to be fast consistently mistakes inevitably follow. He also doesn't have the spatial awareness to race around other cars, and that's really a pretty hard requirement for being a racing driver. When your team consistently see new car parts getting smashed to piece against solid objects guess who is going to get to test them first in future?

Raikkonen has utterly trounced Grosjean as a team mate and the only argument anyone seems to have against that indisputable fact is 'Oh, well Grosjean looked faster here and there'. I see this forum just keeps getting better.

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Cam
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Re: Who will replace Webber at Redbull?

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According to the buzz in the Silverstone paddock, Red Bull is split as the bosses consider who should replace Mark Webber in 2014.

The rumour is that while Christian Horner would like to sign 2007 world champion Kimi Raikkonen, Dr Helmut Marko would prefer if a Toro Rosso driver - Daniel Ricciardo or Jean-Eric Vergne - is pushed into the top team.

Marko told German television RTL on Saturday that the issue will be considered in more detail in the summer break.

"It's not about personal preferences," he insisted. "It must be the best solution for the team."

Not surprisingly, Webber thinks his fellow Australian, Ricciardo, is ready to step up.

"But obviously there are some other hats in the ring, so let's see what happens," he told the Melbourne newspaper The Age.

One problem for Ricciardo, however, is that despite having the upper hand over teammate Vergne earlier this season, the Frenchman has looked impressive more recently.

"He has lifted his game and I can't turn a blind eye to that and say he got lucky," Ricciardo admitted.

Whatever happens, Ricciardo thinks he will still be in F1 in 2014 -- at Red Bull or Toro Rosso.

"I think so, but you always have to be on your game here," he said.
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Bob Brown
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So Helmut wants no one to challenge Vettel and a true #2 driver there. He knows he control the TR boys because they depend of Red Bull to survive in this world. On the other side, Horner wants an actual driver that can capitalize and wring out every last drop from the car and then some more to fight for wins and total domination.

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Bob Brown wrote:So Helmut wants no one to challenge Vettel and a true #2 driver there. He knows he control the TR boys because they depend of Red Bull to survive in this world. On the other side, Horner wants an actual driver that can capitalize and wring out every last drop from the car and then some more to fight for wins and total domination
The reason Helmut trying to promote an STR driver doesn't have to be related to Vettel. Helmut is the one who runs the program and it's only natural that he feels a bit of pressure to prove it still serves its purpose and is worth the money spent. Someday Vettel will leave Red Bull and Marko would like to prepare someone from the program for filling his shoes.

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djos
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Re: Who will replace Webber at Redbull?

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Well once again Dan destroyed JEV in qually - he was a full 6/10ths faster in q2 and 5th overall in that session!
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djos wrote:Well once again Dan destroyed JEV in qually - he was a full 6/10ths faster in q2 and 5th overall in that session!
The last race, it was Vergne who was a full 1.4 seconds faster in Q3...

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djos
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LionKing wrote:
djos wrote:Well once again Dan destroyed JEV in qually - he was a full 6/10ths faster in q2 and 5th overall in that session!
The last race, it was Vergne who was a full 1.4 seconds faster in Q3...
Yes but how often does JEV beat Dan in qually? Not very often!
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djos
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Btw, JEV is a very good racer but Dan is the faster driver and we saw with Vettel that the speed can be harnessed and become the all round package - it's much harder to make someone a faster driver.
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raymondu999
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Re: Who will replace Webber at Redbull?

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Djos - Ricciardo has proven without doubt he is the faster qualifier. But he has never (in my view) proved he is the faster racer. Just because someone is a fast qualifier doesn't mean they're a fast racer. Look at Trulli. The only time he has shown it IMO is china 2013.
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