Silly Season 2013/14

[djos]

Djos - Ricciardo has proven without doubt he is the faster qualifier. But he has never (in my view) proved he is the faster racer. Just because someone is a fast qualifier doesn't mean they're a fast racer. Look at Trulli. The only time he has shown it IMO is china 2013.

Truli, really! Harsh man!

Honestly look at Vettel, his race craft took two full seasons at RBR to get up to scratch but his quality speed ensured he started from the front most of the time, I see dan as being at the same point in his development and that's why IMO he would be ideal as Seb's team mate. It's highly probable that Vettel will go to Ferrari is 2016 (or thereabouts) to replace Alonso when he retires and by that time Dan would be a worthy successor IMO.

[Juzh]

Djos - Ricciardo has proven without doubt he is the faster qualifier. But he has never (in my view) proved he is the faster racer. Just because someone is a fast qualifier doesn't mean they're a fast racer. Look at Trulli. The only time he has shown it IMO is china 2013.

Truli, really! Harsh man!

Honestly look at Vettel, his race craft took two full seasons at RBR to get up to scratch but his quality speed ensured he started from the front most of the time, I see dan as being at the same point in his development and that's why IMO he would be ideal as Seb's team mate. It's highly probable that Vettel will go to Ferrari is 2016 (or thereabouts) to replace Alonso when he retires and by that time Dan would be a worthy successor IMO.

Makes sense.

[LionKing]

Djos - Ricciardo has proven without doubt he is the faster qualifier. But he has never (in my view) proved he is the faster racer. Just because someone is a fast qualifier doesn't mean they're a fast racer. Look at Trulli. The only time he has shown it IMO is china 2013.

Truli, really! Harsh man!

Honestly look at Vettel, his race craft took two full seasons at RBR to get up to scratch but his quality speed ensured he started from the front most of the time, I see dan as being at the same point in his development and that's why IMO he would be ideal as Seb's team mate. It's highly probable that Vettel will go to Ferrari is 2016 (or thereabouts) to replace Alonso when he retires and by that time Dan would be a worthy successor IMO.

Vettel DID beat his teammate in 2009 and 2010 and had the upper hand in most races .

Secondly Vettel's race craft wasn't any worse than others. Even in 2010 he had two races with incidents Turkey and Spa. Lewis had two with Singapore and Monza which took him out of serious title challenge at the last race. Vettel's teammate Webber was involved in incidents in 5 races. He hit Lewis from behind at Australia and putting him into spin, collusion with Vettel at Turkey, run into Kovalainen from behind at Valencia, collusion with Lewis at Singapore, crashed at Korea in wet conditions and collecting Rosberg in the process...

[djos]

Are you forgetting Vettel's failed overtake attempts on Button and Webber?

For a while there if he didn't start on pole he couldn't win and seemed unable to overtake other drivers without making a mess.

[LionKing]

Are you forgetting Vettel's failed overtake attempts on Button and Webber?

For a while there if he didn't start on pole he couldn't win and seemed unable to overtake other drivers without making a mess.

I am not forgetting anything that is why I said Vettel had two races with incidents at Turkey and Spa.. Then I gave his teammate worst rap sheet the same year.

[munudeges]

Yes but how often does JEV beat Dan in qually? Not very often!

The problem is that JEV has beaten Ricciardo more than enough in races this season. The first thing anyone from Red Bull will ask Ricciardo after today, be it Newey or Horner, is "Where has that been?" With Vettel it was pretty obvious from his first few races that the speed and consistency was there. It certainly didn't take two years.

Sorry mate, but Ricciardo ain't going to get that drive, certainly not after today. The rule and engine changes next year rule that out and Red Bull simply cannot afford another Webber to be as far behind Vettel as he is. Raikkonen is a shoe-in for that drive now, certainly after today. Raikkonen will have made his mind up after that missed tyre change.

[Cold Fussion]

[ certainly not after today.

I don't see the problem with his drive at Silverstone, it seem to be fairly solid to me.

[djos]

[ certainly not after today.

I don't see the problem with his drive at Silverstone, it seem to be fairly solid to me.

Agreed, 7th is a great effort and clearly showed he could keep his car on the black stuff thus avoiding his left rear exploding!

[Cold Fussion]

[ certainly not after today.

I don't see the problem with his drive at Silverstone, it seem to be fairly solid to me.

Agreed, 7th is a great effort and clearly showed he could keep his car on the black stuff thus avoiding his left rear exploding!

Let's not get carried a way. He appears to be a fast driver, and in the lower formula especially he seemed like top driver material but even since being in F1 he hasn't appeared to show that same potential.

[Cam]

Comparing Ric vs teammate since 2011. It's actually pretty tight.
2011- 7/4
2012 - 10/10
2013 - 4/4

Qualifying Ric vs Vergne. Ric has the lead here.
2012 - 15/5
2013 - 5/3

[djos]

2012 is a lot more lopsided when you take into account Dan's car failing on the last lap at Monza while well in the points and there was iirc at least one other mechanical failure while heading for a points finish.

He'd also have bagged a couple of points in Monaco this year if it weren't for that clown RG taking him out! Those two points would have the two TR lads about equal on points for this year.

I will say this tho, JEV's Monaco drive was excellent and a well deserved placing.

[raymondu999]

2012 is a lot more lopsided when you take into account Dan's car failing on the last lap at Monza while well in the points and there was iirc at least one other mechanical failure while heading for a points finish.

What about JEV's 2012 misfortunes?

[djos]

What about JEV's 2012 misfortunes?

When did his car fail him while genuinely in the points?

I certainly recall him having a few dnf's from accidents on track tho.

Fwiw I think JEV is a very very good driver and better than several of the clowns currently wasting good race seats at lotus etc but I think Dan is inherently smoother, more precise and faster and that gives him more potential ... IMO of course.

[Websta]

Although not necessarily relevant, Vergne is seriously cool. Does anyone agree or am I just behaving like a school girl?

If the STR drivers couldn't be split by their driving talent, perhaps RBR would go with the more marketable driver and I believe Vergne might have that edge. Not that Ricciardo hasn't got a great personality and isn't a nice guy or anything, but Vergne seems to be the more "Red Bull" of the two.

Just a thought. I still think they'll go with Raikkonen if they can though.

[aral]

What about JEV's 2012 misfortunes?

When did his car fail him while genuinely in the points?

I certainly recall him having a few dnf's from accidents on track tho.

Fwiw I think JEV is a very very good driver and better than several of the clowns currently wasting good race seats at lotus etc but I think Dan is inherently smoother, more precise and faster and that gives him more potential ... IMO of course.

Remember when he was heading for STRs best result for the last three years, and Schumi had a bit of brain fade? Vergne has generally, in race conditions, been the faster of the two drivers, but has had a few more incidents, some his own fault, many the fault of others (including his team mate!)