Silly Season 2013/14

[raymondu999]

Button and Vettel have similar wants from a car.

I'm not sure I'd agree with that. But if you add an "it seems to me that" qualifier ahead of the sentence, then we're all happy campers.

I think the two would get on fantastically well - probably the friendliest all-champion lineup around. At least on cameras, that is.

[SectorOne]

Why would Button leave a nr1(ish) spot for a clear nr2?
I can´t see it but stranger things have happened.

Also, reading some comments from Vettel wanting Red Bull to ask him you have to wonder if even Raikkonen really has a shot at the seat.
Marko said everyone must be happy with the choice.
Vettel even mentioned he has no problems with Australians so maybe Ricciardo is the one closest to the deal.

[beelsebob]

Why would Button leave a nr1(ish) spot for a clear nr2?
I can´t see it but stranger things have happened.

Because Perez is getting pretty close to making it a nr2(isn) spot for Button.

[SectorOne]

Why would Button leave a nr1(ish) spot for a clear nr2?
I can´t see it but stranger things have happened.

Because Perez is getting pretty close to making it a nr2(isn) spot for Button.

Well i´d say he´s got a far higher chance of trumping Perez then Vettel.

[beelsebob]

Why would Button leave a nr1(ish) spot for a clear nr2?
I can´t see it but stranger things have happened.

Because Perez is getting pretty close to making it a nr2(isn) spot for Button.

Well i´d say he´s got a far higher chance of trumping Perez then Vettel.

Same here, but I'd argue that he may not have much chance of trumping either. And he may well know that. Given that, he may well feel that in a RedBull he stands more chance of trumping Perez (and a bunch of others) than in a McLaren.

[munudeges]

Well, there are several drivers in front of both Torro Rosso drivers. This is going to be a political game in Red Bull between Marko on one side and Horner and Newey on the other.

[JimClarkFan]

Why would Button leave a nr1(ish) spot for a clear nr2?
I can´t see it but stranger things have happened.

Because Perez is getting pretty close to making it a nr2(isn) spot for Button.

Same here, but I'd argue that he may not have much chance of trumping either. And he may well know that. Given that, he may well feel that in a RedBull he stands more chance of trumping Perez (and a bunch of others) than in a McLaren.

The only other drivers beating their team mate to relatively similar degree as Button is beating Perez is Alonso over Massa, and Hulkenburg over Gutierrez. Not entirely sure what you are basing these assumptions on, it certainly can't be the points.

People are easy to forget that Lewis Hamilton didn't at any point embarrass Jenson during their 3 year tenure at Macca - despite everyone saying he otherwise.

[beelsebob]

The only other drivers beating their team mate by a similar sort of margin is Alonso over Massa, and Hulkenburg over Gutierrez. Not entirely sure what you are basing these assumptions on, it certainly can't be the points.

Strange how people are easy to forget that Lewis Hamilton didn't at any point embarrass during their 3 year tenure at Macca - despite everyone saying he otherwise.

Basing it on the recent trend in their drives.

[JimClarkFan]

The only other drivers beating their team mate by a similar sort of margin is Alonso over Massa, and Hulkenburg over Gutierrez. Not entirely sure what you are basing these assumptions on, it certainly can't be the points.

Strange how people are easy to forget that Lewis Hamilton didn't at any point embarrass during their 3 year tenure at Macca - despite everyone saying he otherwise.

Basing it on the recent trend in their drives.

Button was .5 sec ahead in Q2 today.
The sum of all the parts mean far more.
Don't mean to be getting at you, but I don't follow the thought train.


Edit - that aside, I don't see Button joining Red Bull. I think it would be a nice pairing but I can't see it happening, all it is realistically is people placing bets. We can't assume these are informed betting opinions.

[beelsebob]

The only other drivers beating their team mate by a similar sort of margin is Alonso over Massa, and Hulkenburg over Gutierrez. Not entirely sure what you are basing these assumptions on, it certainly can't be the points.

Strange how people are easy to forget that Lewis Hamilton didn't at any point embarrass during their 3 year tenure at Macca - despite everyone saying he otherwise.

Basing it on the recent trend in their drives.

As in the .5 sec difference in Q2 today.
The sum of all the parts mean far more.
Don't mean to be getting at you, but I don't follow the thought train.


Edit - that aside, I don't see Button joining Red Bull. I think it would be a nice pairing but I can't see it happening, all it is realistically is people placing bets. We can't assume these are informed betting opinions.

Perhaps you should check the timestamp when I made that assertion.

[JimClarkFan]

Basing it on the recent trend in their drives.

As in the .5 sec difference in Q2 today.
The sum of all the parts mean far more.
Don't mean to be getting at you, but I don't follow the thought train.


Edit - that aside, I don't see Button joining Red Bull. I think it would be a nice pairing but I can't see it happening, all it is realistically is people placing bets. We can't assume these are informed betting opinions.

Perhaps you should check the timestamp when I made that assertion.

So you have changed your mind since Thursday?

[beelsebob]

As in the .5 sec difference in Q2 today.
The sum of all the parts mean far more.
Don't mean to be getting at you, but I don't follow the thought train.


Edit - that aside, I don't see Button joining Red Bull. I think it would be a nice pairing but I can't see it happening, all it is realistically is people placing bets. We can't assume these are informed betting opinions.

Perhaps you should check the timestamp when I made that assertion.

So you have changed your mind since Thursday?

Possibly, unsure – the point being that it would be pretty hard for my analysis to be based on qualifying's result as you're suggesting

[JimClarkFan]

Perhaps you should check the timestamp when I made that assertion.

So you have changed your mind since Thursday?

Possibly, unsure – the point being that it would be pretty hard for my analysis to be based on qualifying's result as you're suggesting

I understand that, but I specifically stated championship points to begin with and posted a pic.

Nevertheless I do agree with you in part, Perez has upped his game, he is a good racer, and I don't expect Button to have double the points tally of Perez by the end of the season.

Added to that Perez seems like an all round nice chap.

[djos]

I just don't see Jensen in an RBR, he's one of those drivers that just can't drive around issues, the car has to be perfect and IMO those sort of drivers aren't worth having.

[RB7ate9]

I just don't see Jensen in an RBR, he's one of those drivers that just can't drive around issues, the car has to be perfect and IMO those sort of drivers aren't worth having.

Truth. With Vettel being a dynamite racer (and main driver), RBR needs a complementary driver that can primarily:

1. Develop the car (i.e. test components, try out new components at a race - requiring adaptability)
2. Qualify high (can't be a slouch)
3. Collect points - if not outright win - (Can't be a fool, either)

Raikkonen can do all three, but the potential for conflict will always be there.

JEV and RIC are starting to show more promise in regards to 2 and 3. The question (that only RBR and STR can answer with each other) is how well each driver is handling point 1.