Silly Season 2013/14

[raymondu999]

I don't see how eliminating his team mate as a competitor for the RBR drive could be anything but good.

It's good for Dan, bad for JEV.

In other news, what I said was:

I don't think it's good news for Dan, in that I don't think it's news at all.

ie it's good, but it's not news - hence it's not good news.

[djos]

Ah right, I see what you meant now.

[Ishtor]

Raikkonen is a smart man, red bull consistently produces the best package even after the fia take the rug from under them time and time again... If his main ambition is to win, I dont think there will be too much thinking.

But in RBR he cannot win! Wins are for Vettel and he is number one driver always. With Lotus Kimi has better winning options, as strange as it sounds. With Lotus Kimi can beat Vettel (if car is good enough) but with RBR Kimi's best position is 2nd if Vettel finishes race. So situation is far from simple.

[Websta]

Raikkonen is a smart man, red bull consistently produces the best package even after the fia take the rug from under them time and time again... If his main ambition is to win, I dont think there will be too much thinking.

But in RBR he cannot win! Wins are for Vettel and he is number one driver always. With Lotus Kimi has better winning options, as strange as it sounds. With Lotus Kimi can beat Vettel (if car is good enough) but with RBR Kimi's best position is 2nd if Vettel finishes race. So situation is far from simple.

Why would RBR want Kimi Raikkonen, a WDC and consistent top tier driving, to play second fiddle to Vettel? Why wouldn't they just get any decent, competent driver? Why should Red Bull care who wins the WDC as long as they are driving a Red Bull car? Why would Vettel be the "number one driver always"?

Come on man

[djos]

Multi21

Nuf said!

[mep]

Wins are not for Vettel at RedBull. They are just not for Webber, who simply is not consistent enough. Even if he starts from front row it hardly happens that he does not mess up at the start. Guys who are giving out that everybody can win in a RedBull forget that Webber does not even manage to finish second.

[raymondu999]

Multi21

Nuf said!

So they give team orders to make Vettel finish behind his teammate. Does this not prove Vettel isn't the No. 1?

[djos]

Multi21

Nuf said!

So they give team orders to make Vettel finish behind his teammate. Does this not prove Vettel isn't the No. 1?

Which he disobeys and gets no punishment.

[mep]

Multi21

Nuf said!

So they give team orders to make Vettel finish behind his teammate. Does this not prove Vettel isn't the No. 1?

Which he disobeys and gets no punishment.

How do you want to know what happened behind closed doors at RedBull?
They probably did tell him to obey their commands next time.
Apart from that there is no FIA rule saying that you have to follow team orders. Actually its rather the opposite. There is (was) a rule saying that team order is forbidden. But a certain Alonso had the lobby to remove that rule for his interests.

[djos]

I would have broken the GB seal at the next race to send a message to current and future RBR drivers that the team comes first.

[LionKing]

Did they punish Webber when he ignored team orders at Silverstone 2011 (or Brasil 2012 ) ?

[djos]

Did they punish Webber when he ignored team orders at Silverstone 2011 (or Brasil 2012 ) ?

Remind what happened, did Webber actually overtake Vettel or just take some pot shots at him?

[SectorOne]

Webber could have easily passed Vettel in Silverstone. Watch the onboard and listen when Webber just lets off the gas up to Copse.

[mnmracer]

Did they punish Webber when he ignored team orders at Silverstone 2011 (or Brasil 2012 ) ?

Remind what happened, did Webber actually overtake Vettel or just take some pot shots at him?

These were Webber's words:

Of course I ignored the team and I was battling to the end.

[LionKing]

Webber tried and failed...