Scuderia Ferrari 2013

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WhiteBlue wrote:Todt was the man responsible for the Ferrari triumphs of the past decade. Montezemolo tends to forget that. By chasing Todt away he has taken over the responsibility to the Tiffosi for Ferrari's success. There is a very high pressure now in the Italian press and Monte's head could roll unless he starts getting things right, which according to Alonso is not really happening. In Hungary Ferrari was not using all the new parts of the previous four or six weeks because they were not giving the performance enhancement they were expected to give. It means that aerodynamically Ferrari are still lost in the woods.
Agreed. Lots of excuses and false promises since the end of 2010/beginning of 2011 but in the end the technical side of the team has failed in it's objectives.
Montezemolo is feeling the pressure and he needs Alonso to keep his mouth shut about any negative trends in order to survive. That is probably a bit unfair, because Alonso only tells it as it is for him. But the Tiffosi would compare him to Schumacher in this regard. Michael never failed to praise the team even when the car was crap or mistakes were made at the pit wall. The accepted formula is "we will work even harder" if you are unhappy with the Ferrari performance. It can never be the fault of the red car. It has to be something that the Tiffosi see as bad luck but never the ineptitude of the red team.
It was slightly different for Schumacher though because he saw progress every year from 1996-2002. Alonso has if anything seen the team go backwards from 2010-13. There certainly hasn't been any progress forwards.
Monte's big mistake in my view was the selection of Domenicali for team principal. It means that an Italian is controlling the ratio of Italians and ex-pats at Ferrari. That will always tweak the internationality down and promote more Italian talent. Unfortunately Italian talent will simply not be of the quality that you find in England. All teams outside the English home county cluster have learned that the hard way over the past decades. Hiring Allison may be too little too late in a situation where Mercedes has cleared the market place of all hopeful tier two F1 engineers. Allison will need more of those because he cannot single handedly transform the chassis side of gestione sportiva into Red Bull and Newey beating form.
Hiring Domenicalli was a mistake, but not for the reasons above. Look at the big names he's hired over the last few years - Fry, Bester, Sanchez and Bigois, whilst he fired his compatriot (and good friend) Aldo Costa.

I think LDM should have hired Brawn. Domenicalli is too weak politically and is too slow to make the changes in order to bring Ferrari up to speed. Still i acknowledge that the successor of Todt was always going to have a hard time.

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Gerhard Berger wrote:Hiring Domenicalli was a mistake...I think LDM should have hired Brawn. Domenicalli is too weak politically and is too slow to make the changes in order to bring Ferrari up to speed. Still i acknowledge that the successor of Todt was always going to have a hard time.
There was no objective need to oust Todt, it was just an ego thing. And Brawn would indeed have been a good replacement. Better than Domenicali anyway.
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Ferrari are reported to be on Magny-Cours for three days with the 2011 car, PDLR behind the wheel.

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WhiteBlue wrote:
Gerhard Berger wrote:Hiring Domenicalli was a mistake...I think LDM should have hired Brawn. Domenicalli is too weak politically and is too slow to make the changes in order to bring Ferrari up to speed. Still i acknowledge that the successor of Todt was always going to have a hard time.
There was no objective need to oust Todt, it was just an ego thing. And Brawn would indeed have been a good replacement. Better than Domenicali anyway.
Brawn? Interesting. He MIGHT be on the way out or at least demoted at M-B. Could he return to Ferrari? Brawn plus the current staff plus Alonso or Kimi could be interesting. Probably just dreaming, but there are no races to talk about . . .
Enzo Ferrari was a great man. But he was not a good man. -- Phil Hill

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Gerhard Berger wrote: Domenicalli is too weak politically and is too slow to make the changes in order to bring Ferrari up to speed. S
Yep, weak and slow, the perfect words to describe Stefano.

It will be lovely if Ferrari win more titles with Stefano, he is a nice man, that mind his own business and want no harm for others, but this is F1, is a pool full of sharks.

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Kiril Varbanov wrote:Ferrari are reported to be on Magny-Cours for three days with the 2011 car, PDLR behind the wheel.
If true, that would really be sad. I prefer teams going for grey areas in the technical regs, instead of exploiting the grey areas of the sporting regs
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shelly wrote:
Kiril Varbanov wrote:Ferrari are reported to be on Magny-Cours for three days with the 2011 car, PDLR behind the wheel.
If true, that would really be sad. I prefer teams going for grey areas in the technical regs, instead of exploiting the grey areas of the sporting regs
However, i am led to believe that its a non Pirelli test. No black and yellow, more blue and yellow.

Red Bull have a test at a track booked for September in a RB7, McLaren have been approached and Lotus have also been approached by Pirelli, however both are reluctant as McLaren want to concentrate on 2014/2015 and Lotus dont want to use the usless R31 and now too old R30 chassis.

As i see it, Tyre testing is needed, however, i think it should be done next year and there after in the in season tests with the teams reserve driver and with the current car with each team given 2 of their 8 days (9 days if i had my idea taken) in order for tyres and their tech to be really pushed on.

HOWEVER...

This may be be better in the Tyre thread, If i also had my way id have each tyre manufacturer (if there was to be a new tyre war) manufactured 5 different compounds of tyre, each team has to select the two best for their chassis before the first race and then take those compounds to each race, with each team being able to play a joker at any time before the summer break to change just one compound.

I think that would spice up the tyre action quite nicely.

Back on topic,

I expect the Ferrari guys to stop on the F138 by the time September comes, development will be halted, with a Monza spec and a Singapore till Brazil spec being the end of new parts.

I think with Alison being back at the team, the team, and Alonso, will want to focus on the 2014 season. However, i do see Massa being replaced with either Di Resta or Bianchi as a destabilising factor on the driver front, and with the Ferrari V6T that is yet to be named, being a negative if it turns out to be massively down on power to the Mercedes and substantially down on the Renault Energy F1.

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There isn't any chance Hulkenberg slides into Massa's seat?
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More on Ferrari: They have spoken to Kimi, according to Bild: http://www.bild.de/sport/motorsport/fer ... .bild.html

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Stefano Domenicali after the Hungarian GP:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2Ib5d0cIao[/youtube]

I highly doubt Kimi will go back to Ferrari as LDM is nothing short of a ball cracker:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT8hCkPuCIw[/youtube]
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Maybe they are testing 2011 car to fix the wind tunnel and correlation. I don't know if it makes a difference in that work to usean older car.

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To use car that was failure from beginning and every update was failure for that?

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nacho wrote:Maybe they are testing 2011 car to fix the wind tunnel and correlation. I don't know if it makes a difference in that work to usean older car.
They are using "exhibition" tyres, so they aren't testing tyres. Officially they are testing to find better correlation between CFD, simulator and track. Maybe they are also testing new sw for kers and differential to implement a sort of TC like RB

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@ESPImperium:
I think with Alison being back at the team, the team, and Alonso, will want to focus on the 2014 season. However, i do see Massa being replaced with either Di Resta or Bianchi as a destabilising factor on the driver front, and with the Ferrari V6T that is yet to be named, being a negative if it turns out to be massively down on power to the Mercedes and substantially down on the Renault Energy F1.
I agree with the first sentence above, but not with the remainder:
Massa has been hanging on for a couple years now. I am a fan of Felipe, but a change might be a very good thing, not necessarily destabilizing. (Of course, bring Kimi back COULD be a problem!)
As to the Ferrari turbo, do you have some information that would lead us to assume that it will be "massively down on power"? Just asking for information here.
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donskar wrote:@ESPImperium:
I think with Alison being back at the team, the team, and Alonso, will want to focus on the 2014 season. However, i do see Massa being replaced with either Di Resta or Bianchi as a destabilising factor on the driver front, and with the Ferrari V6T that is yet to be named, being a negative if it turns out to be massively down on power to the Mercedes and substantially down on the Renault Energy F1.
I agree with the first sentence above, but not with the remainder:
Massa has been hanging on for a couple years now. I am a fan of Felipe, but a change might be a very good thing, not necessarily destabilizing. (Of course, bring Kimi back COULD be a problem!)
As to the Ferrari turbo, do you have some information that would lead us to assume that it will be "massively down on power"? Just asking for information here.
I think its time Massa stepped aside and let someone else take over the seat as he clearly has lost his mojo since Hungary 09, he was given his comeback year and a year as well, he was given a hurry up last year and seemed to work, however he has had a howler this year and i think LDM wants to get a more able younger driver in the seat. Hulkenberg is out of the running as his telemetry traces have been seen by Ferrari via their engine data guys and they arnt impressed, they have been looking at Di Resta as he is the only suitable option next on the list, Di Resta is reportedly hard to work with, but his speed is there and that could be his saving grace. If i were Ferrari, id save on the €15m plus bonuses and incentives that Kimi wants, a total package of €30m from Ferrari to my estimates, and give Di Resta a Mark Webber style contract where he is paid €8m a season with €2m for a constructors title and or drivers title and a percentage bonus to another €8m based on how close he is to Alonso. It has seemed to work at Red Bull from 07 to 12, and i think its the only way to keep Di Resta focused on no I in Team and also push Ferrari with Alonso and Alison on track to better performances and better results. Ferrari need to change their culture a little again.

As for their engine, it may be down on peak power to the sources i am hearing rumblings from, the engine may well be down on power, as Ferrari arnt as far ahead as Mercedes and Renault, however im sure they will now develop as much as they can and hopefully get a good unit for next year. After all, its not all about peak power, they might have a torquey little ripper that will rip your face off and be good around the twisty stuff and skin a cat by being the quickest around the stuff that requires rotation.

I really hope that Ferrari become strong again in order to challenge Red Bull. Mercedes have finally started to show their promise and they are going to be a contender next year, however F1 needs a strong Top 5 teams. Technology will converge in 2015 to 2016 i feel and the cars will finally be the second and a half to two seconds that id love to see cover the grid in Q1.