e. You want to win.Ciro Pabón wrote:That's why people that knows better do not use trail braking unless:
a. You race bikes
b. You race in the dirt
c. You're in a spec series
d. You're in dire need of a car length and you don't mind if you ruin the weekend
Some cars just hate trail braking. Like Formula Type cars, at least in real life. They tend to understeer when the brakes are on....
- it's a small effect compared to the big-picture basics, like carrying speed out of a corner, that everyone must learn early on
- it's difficult to learn
- mistakes with it are ugly
... exceeding the limits at trail braking has some of the worst consequences one can invite on a race track, typically worse than those from mistakes at corner exit. It's definitely a big risk for a small effect, justified only because it accumulates. Blowing it results in too high an entry speed... However, when the cars are equalized, as in spec races, showroom stock, or in a lot of Solo II car classes, trail braking takes a prominent role.
That would depend on brake bias, don't you think?Ciro Pabón wrote:Some cars just hate trail braking. Like Formula Type cars, at least in real life. They tend to understeer when the brakes are on.
I fail to see how it isn't fastest, for example the link you provided says otherwise. It might not provide enough benefit if you have a car with a very forward brake bias and tyres which don't work well at combined loads.Ciro Pabón wrote:Trail braking is not the fastest technique, but all do it.
Do tell then.. why does every professional driver do it if it's slow.Ciro Pabón wrote:Trail braking is not the fastest technique, but all do it.
Q: What's the technique in fast corners? Is a front-wheel-drive Super Tourer different to a single-seater?
A: I would say it's not that different. In a single-seater you don't want to turn in on the brakes, and the same in a touring car. You have to have it all sorted out before you turn in.
Have to say, I stopped paying attention at this point.Alain Menu wrote:Q: What's the technique in fast corners? Is a front-wheel-drive Super Tourer different to a single-seater?
A: I would say it's not that different
It's a pretty blanket statement he makes for sure, but there's some truth to it. Regardless of platform I'd think you would want some precision on entry of high speed corners... wouldn't be bad to have some power-on understeer (either with FWD or RWD) in that case, rather than smashing the brakes on turn-in for a hairpin when you really want some rotation.Tim.Wright wrote:Have to say, I stopped paying attention at this point.Alain Menu wrote:Q: What's the technique in fast corners? Is a front-wheel-drive Super Tourer different to a single-seater?
A: I would say it's not that different
Trail braking is not the same as 'smashing the brakes'.Jersey Tom wrote:
It's a pretty blanket statement he makes for sure, but there's some truth to it. Regardless of platform I'd think you would want some precision on entry of high speed corners... wouldn't be bad to have some power-on understeer (either with FWD or RWD) in that case, rather than smashing the brakes on turn-in for a hairpin when you really want some rotation.
Pretty sure there is. On various real telemetry traces on the web there's very little time a driver is not using either throttle or brake. Can't imagine that'd be the case if people were coasting much.marcush. wrote:I´d think a formula 1 driver has to be an extreme expert in brake force modulation anyways ,as the grip levels cease dramatically with slowing down as you shed downforce .
Is there even much room for trailbraking under these circumstances or is it simply a case of not early enough off the brakes and your inside front will send a puff of smoke?
