Mercedes AMG F1 W04

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GrandAxe wrote:Is the Auto Motor und Sport story that Merc could have a 100 horse power advantage going into 2014 plausible?
Or could it just be next seasons mind games kicking off early?

A 100 horse power advantage sounds near impossible with the strict engine dimensions, weight limitations, tyres (if this season is a gauge) and power harvesting. It doesn't even seem reasonable considering 2014's fuel rationing either, you need fuel to churn out the additional 100 horse power.

Thoughts?
Not relevant to the W04 – discuss in the 2014 engine thread (where it's already being discussed)

:arrow: http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... =4&t=15352

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"There's some good things coming on the car in the next few races that I think are going to be a reasonable step. We've got the two low-drag races coming up and our low-drag package looks pretty respectable," Brawn said in an interview with Autosport.
http://www.planetf1.com/driver/3213/887 ... t-it-slip-
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Sidepods...

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Please, remember to post the source too. You can see the low drag wing too, it's the same from winter testing & canada and that will be used in two weeks time or teams develop different low drag wings?

Edit: Sorry, i've asked a very stupid question!
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Belgium 2013 - Thursday (22.08.2013)

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"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe." Murray Walker, San Marino 1985

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Flatter and higher positioned main plane, with a small bump in it. They intend to create a bit more downforce near the endplates and less in the middle. The flap still looks like to have a reasonable angle.
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turbof1 wrote:Flatter and higher positioned main plane, with a small bump in it. They intend to create a bit more downforce near the endplates and less in the middle. The flap still looks like to have a reasonable angle.
The entire wing including end plates and the flicks on it, the DRS flap and the main plane are new

The area of the rear wing by the end plates is compromised in terms of d/f creation and doesn't really produce much due to end plate interactions - the center of the wing produces almost all of the d/f. They aren't intending to produce more near the end plates.

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Belgium 2013 - Thursday (22.08.2013)

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"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe." Murray Walker, San Marino 1985

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mantikos wrote:
turbof1 wrote:Flatter and higher positioned main plane, with a small bump in it. They intend to create a bit more downforce near the endplates and less in the middle. The flap still looks like to have a reasonable angle.
The entire wing including end plates and the flicks on it, the DRS flap and the main plane are new

The area of the rear wing by the end plates is compromised in terms of d/f creation and doesn't really produce much due to end plate interactions - the center of the wing produces almost all of the d/f. They aren't intending to produce more near the end plates.
I personally think they do. Williams follows the same principle (but much more extreme). My bet is that they want to shift the downforce production a bit more to the endplates, where drag always is quite high no matter how much angle and surface area. Reducing downforce in the middle region gives more drag reduction. Albeit in the Mercedes case it's all very relative.

The flap basicilly is just adapted to the main plane: running a flatter one means a bigger chord for the drs flap.
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Belgium 2013 - Thursday (22.08.2013)

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"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe." Murray Walker, San Marino 1985

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turbof1 wrote:
mantikos wrote:
turbof1 wrote:Flatter and higher positioned main plane, with a small bump in it. They intend to create a bit more downforce near the endplates and less in the middle. The flap still looks like to have a reasonable angle.
The entire wing including end plates and the flicks on it, the DRS flap and the main plane are new

The area of the rear wing by the end plates is compromised in terms of d/f creation and doesn't really produce much due to end plate interactions - the center of the wing produces almost all of the d/f. They aren't intending to produce more near the end plates.
I personally think they do. Williams follows the same principle (but much more extreme). My bet is that they want to shift the downforce production a bit more to the endplates, where drag always is quite high no matter how much angle and surface area. Reducing downforce in the middle region gives more drag reduction. Albeit in the Mercedes case it's all very relative.

The flap basicilly is just adapted to the main plane: running a flatter one means a bigger chord for the drs flap.

See, and the more I look at it, it looks like the change in profile near the end plates is because they wanted to accommodate the 3 drag reducing slots (if you extrapolate the central main plane profile there isn't room for 3).

Also, is it just me, or is the gap between the DRS flap and the end plate bigger and have 2 distinct parts?

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See, and the more I look at it, it looks like the change in profile near the end plates is because they wanted to accommodate the 3 drag reducing slots (if you extrapolate the central main plane profile there isn't room for 3).

Also, is it just me, or is the gap between the DRS flap and the end plate bigger and have 2 distinct parts?[/quote]

Couldn't it be that they haven't sticked them togheter yet?

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diego.liv wrote:See, and the more I look at it, it looks like the change in profile near the end plates is because they wanted to accommodate the 3 drag reducing slots (if you extrapolate the central main plane profile there isn't room for 3).

Also, is it just me, or is the gap between the DRS flap and the end plate bigger and have 2 distinct parts?

Couldn't it be that they haven't sticked them togheter yet?
Nope, the rear wing is completely assembled as you see it.
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Even the two "strips" on the MIG BANK logo are new?

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diego.liv wrote:Even the two "strips" on the MIG BANK logo are new?

Yes those flicks on the end plates are new as mentioned on the previous page

the slot in the end plate was debuted last race or thereabouts and isn't all new