Silly Season 2013/14

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stefan_ wrote:I am afraid that Ferrari's move with Raikkonen (driven by the ideal of both drivers scoring points constantly and so the team fighting for at least the constructors' title) will blow up the team and they will end up nowhere. Raikkonen won't take the "Fernando is faster than you" crap and Alonso won't support anyone but himself in the fight for the championship. And apart from that, we all know what happened last time Fernando had a teammate that was able to get him a run for his money.

Plot twist: Heikki to Lotus.
If Kimi goes to Ferrari, does it mean that Alonso will take a sabbatical?

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Maybe Ferrari had enough of Alonso's politics. Maybe they want to turn the page. Both Alonso and Raikkonen, especially Raikkonen, are good technical feedback drivers. Ferrari haven't won any titles since the arrival of Alonso. Many Tifosi now want Kimi back. With each day and season passing, Kimi is more and more valuable to Ferrari. He is their last WDC.
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CHT wrote: If Kimi goes to Ferrari, does it mean that Alonso will take a sabbatical?
Don't think it would make sense for Alonso to take a sabbatical in such an important year as 2014 will be. It would mean that in his 2015 return everyone will already have a 1-year worth of knowledge/informations about the new engines, cars & tires compared to him.
"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe." Murray Walker, San Marino 1985

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stefan_ wrote:
CHT wrote: If Kimi goes to Ferrari, does it mean that Alonso will take a sabbatical?
Don't think it would make sense for Alonso to take a sabbatical in such an important year as 2014 will be. It would mean that in his 2015 return everyone will already have a 1-year worth of knowledge/informations about the new engines, cars & tires compared to him.
Alonso has got his hands full with his cycling team, I am not sure how this will affect he commitment and relationship with Ferrari. So I wont be surprise that Ferrari might have a totally new driver line up for 2014.

Kimi and Kamui will be refreshing.

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By Stefan-
I am afraid that Ferrari's move with Raikkonen (driven by the ideal of both drivers scoring points constantly and so the team fighting for at least the constructors' title) will blow up the team and they will end up nowhere. Raikkonen won't take the "Fernando is faster than you" crap and Alonso won't support anyone but himself in the fight for the championship. And apart from that, we all know what happened last time Fernando had a teammate that was able to get him a run for his money.
This mirrors my own thinking.
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stefan_ wrote:I am afraid that Ferrari's move with Raikkonen (driven by the ideal of both drivers scoring points constantly and so the team fighting for at least the constructors' title) will blow up the team and they will end up nowhere. Raikkonen won't take the "Fernando is faster than you" crap and Alonso won't support anyone but himself in the fight for the championship. And apart from that, we all know what happened last time Fernando had a teammate that was able to get him a run for his money.
They are grown up men who will do their job - bring in many points for the team. Raikkonen won't have to take the 'Fernando is faster than you' crap because he won't put himself in that situation. They will push each other. Also, 2007 was 6 years ago, people do change and mature in that time.

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Agree with Andrew. Then it also seems Alonso and Kimi has a fairly good relationship. Lots of respect and we´ve seen them joke with each other in broadcasts before.

But, if one of them breaks in any way it will be Alonso. we´ve seen that before.
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there are talks that alonso may leave ferrari, and join Lotus, if Ghosn (renault's chairman) sponsor Lotus (ex. renault) ... that could be another championship winning team like it was in 2005 / 2006 season

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anzx wrote:there are talks that alonso may leave ferrari, and join Lotus, if Ghosn (renault's chairman) sponsor Lotus (ex. renault) ... that could be another championship winning team like it was in 2005 / 2006 season
Come on... Do you really think that Kimi would leave Lotus, if they have a prospect to be a winning team? Why the hell was he there the last 2 years? If Lotus would deliver a winning car in '14, then Raikkonen would stay there, simple as that. The only reason why Kimi is leaving, is because he KNOWS that Lotus isn't going to be a top team in 2014 and that they're probably not able to pay his salary.
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This thread reached Himalayas of delusion. Alonso going back to Lotus/Renault, together with Flavio probably :lol: ? Which glorified blog F1 site came up with it, F1_plus_zone_gp_12313_net?

OK, name 5 races from the last two seasons that prove Raikkonen is top level and I'll name 10, to make it a fair fight, by Alonso, while laughing at these five examples. Pattern is so repeatable it's not even funny: messed up qualifying, lost position at the start and/or lost position in the first stint, inability to overtake, passive (I'm sorry "patient") driving preferably on one stop less, sometimes team orders and complete inability to profit from those, no killer instinct, no speed when it matters. Races he should have been fighting for wins that ended after first laps or stint at best: China, Bahrain, Germany, Hungary, perhaps Spain for a while or Malaysia. Much higher positions easily possible in Monaco and Monza - driver mistakes. 1 DNF - fifth place lost?, 1 odd win in a v. special circumstances, 2 transitional races (Can/Silv). Overall safety first, points collecting driving and mistakes when trying sth more, story of the season. What's your basis for this senseless optimism against Alonso in 2014 Ferrari?

Especially ironic are claims like: "Raikkonen won't take the "Fernando is faster than you" crap"" One: this is a basis of his driving existence in the last two season, secondly to get team orders you need to be in front. Is this "he won't put himself in that situation" part? And if it happens what will he do? Enlighten me please. Although It would be nice to see all the major updates go to Alonso firstly and Raikkonen race later no team can be as unprofessional as Lotus 2012-2013 in that regard.

Speaking of Lotus this looks just great, wasting their best F1 season BMW-style on one driver policy, overpaying without results while losing technical personnel and it ends like this. Not that their choice for 2014 would matter, it's going to be constructor's championship anyway. Safe bet is to expect their driver management to remain clueless. Can't wait for :wink::
Boullier talking in 2010 about Alsono at Renault in 2009 wrote:"I think there was a lack of management, a lack of guidance from the top management, a lack of clear objective. [...] a driver is a key asset for the team and if the driver is not motivated, not pushing the team enough... because he knew he was moving on.” “The lack of results was bringing the team down, because they are very devoted - so no results was clearly very demotivating for them. No management to guide the team, and drivers which were not easy to work with, very arrogant and not pushing the team in the right way. That was clearly the main two components of what was wrong,”

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/boull ... 23151.html
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85844
Of course the biggest joke would be if nothing happens. I don't know which option is better purely from entertainment point of view.
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I don't always agree with gary anderson, but he was bang on in his latest bbc column.

Most imminently, hulkenberg makes far more sense than kimi. He's a great driver, a much better prospect (I believe will be a great team leader in a few years), and is currently a better fit. Kimi never really fit in to the 'family' and will do so even less now with alonso in the team. It'd be madness to get kimi, if you ask me.

Anderson was also right about ferrari getting things wrong for too long now. I totally understand alonso's reaction - it's how I feel as a fan - and they do need a kick in the arse.

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iotar__ wrote:...
Ahhhhh, diddems. Grosjean isn't the driver who some sad, strange little people desperately hoped he would be and who is a team going to give new parts to when they keeping seeing millions of pounds plastered against barriers and other cars? :lol:

It's pretty clear Alonso isn't happy about this and I'll be pretty amazed if it's true to be honest. I never thought Raikkonen would go back there in a month of Sundays so he and his management team must be pretty sure of what he's walking into and Raikkonen is a driver we all know Alonso would not have as his team mate. Alonso's balance of power within Ferrari is clearly not what it was. Frankly, Ferrari as a team are not what they were so I'm not sure why anyone worth his salt would go there.

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Allison looks like he's crying........

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MarkedOne8 wrote:Maybe Ferrari had enough of Alonso's politics. Maybe they want to turn the page. Both Alonso and Raikkonen, especially Raikkonen, are good technical feedback drivers. Ferrari haven't won any titles since the arrival of Alonso. Many Tifosi now want Kimi back. With each day and season passing, Kimi is more and more valuable to Ferrari. He is their last WDC.
Perhaps with the significant changes for next year Ferrari want two drivers who give good technical feedback?
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