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RacingManiac
RacingManiac
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Joined: 22 Nov 2004, 02:29

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the sliver flick-up winglet in front of the rear wheel fell off in the shakedown.....

now you see it...
http://www.f1technical.net/gallery/main ... alNumber=4

now you don't...
http://www.f1technical.net/gallery/main ... alNumber=4

what happened:
http://www.f1technical.net/gallery/main ... alNumber=4
http://www.f1technical.net/gallery/main ... alNumber=4
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ginsu
ginsu
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Joined: 17 Jan 2006, 02:23

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You officially beat me to it RacingManiac, I raced over to my University to post the pictures because I saw them in some really hi-res photos. I confirm your suspicions, but I think it's completely intentional. I think Newey's put flexi-wings on the car.

[img:720:480]http://www.motorsport.com/photos/f1/200 ... p-0734.jpg[/img]

[img:720:480]http://www.motorsport.com/photos/f1/200 ... p-0736.jpg[/img]

The reason why I think it's intentional is because it happens to both of them in equal measure and they return to their normal position when the car slows down.

[img:720:480]http://www.motorsport.com/photos/f1/200 ... p-0738.jpg[/img]

[img:720:480]http://www.motorsport.com/photos/f1/200 ... p-0735.jpg[/img]


Tricky Newey!!!! Somehow I envision a bird folding it's wings in to perform a dive maneuver. That's how they lower their drag in order to go 100+mph!
I love to love Senna.
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astsmtl
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Joined: 20 Jan 2007, 13:56

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ginsu wrote:I think Newey's put flexi-wings on the car.
AFAIK such flexible aerodynamic elements are banned by current regulations, or... :?:
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ginsu
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I don't think they were broken off their mounts RacingManiac as it looks like a really clean stub, maybe they removed them once they realized they were moving waaay too much.

Yes, I'm sure they are illegal parts and will be remedied, but I do believe that they were meant to flex, just not by such a large amount.
I love to love Senna.
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Steve Wilson
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Joined: 25 Jan 2007, 12:30
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I agree, they definitely appear to have moved:

[img:500:400]http://www.touringcars.org.uk/misc/RB3-1.jpg[/img]
[img:500:400]http://www.touringcars.org.uk/misc/RB3-2.jpg[/img]
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zac510
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Joined: 24 Jan 2006, 12:58

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hehe, even the best engineers can miscalculate sometimes!
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BreezyRacer
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Joined: 04 Nov 2006, 00:31

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I really have to doubt that these pieces flexed. My guess is that we're looking at different parts being tested. Can anyone say these photos were taken during the same on track session? Anything that flexes that much would be of no use and subject to fail, as well. (just my opinion)
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allan
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Joined: 14 Jan 2006, 22:14
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BreezyRacer wrote:I really have to doubt that these pieces flexed. My guess is that we're looking at different parts being tested. Can anyone say these photos were taken during the same on track session? Anything that flexes that much would be of no use and subject to fail, as well. (just my opinion)
i agree with u breezyracer... anything that flexes that much is subject to being broken... another thing is that if u look closely at other photos, u wouldn't see those parts at all...
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Tom
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Joined: 13 Jan 2006, 00:24
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Matrials are so advanced now, esspecially on F1 cars, that those wings could be capable of twisting through 180 degrees round every corned and still not break.
Murphy's 9th Law of Technology:
Tell a man there are 300 million stars in the universe and he'll believe you. Tell him a bench has wet paint on it and he'll have to touch to be sure.
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allan
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yes tom, u're right, but the pictures above were taken at the seat curve, which is one of the slowest on the track... so i don't think that the car can carry so much speed at that curve that is capable of flexing the wings that much.
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manchild
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Joined: 03 Jun 2005, 10:54

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MP 4-22 has identical wings so perhaps theirs broke at hight speed, smashed rear wing or punctured rear tyre and caused that Hamilton's crash :wink:
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ginsu
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Manchild, the wings can look the same and be very different underneath. The same with tires. The layup of the carbon plies can be incredibly different allowing the wings to flex in one direction specifically and be stiff in all the other directions.
I love to love Senna.
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RacingManiac
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BreezyRacer wrote:I really have to doubt that these pieces flexed. My guess is that we're looking at different parts being tested. Can anyone say these photos were taken during the same on track session? Anything that flexes that much would be of no use and subject to fail, as well. (just my opinion)
well it was RB3's debut shakedown run and as far as we know all photos were taken from the day.....
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manchild
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ginsu wrote:Manchild, the wings can look the same and be very different underneath...
Indeed, Red Bull wings flex nicely while Mclaren's don't flex but simply snap under load - that's what I was hinting. :wink:
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FLC
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Joined: 10 Mar 2006, 14:01

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By the way, it turns out that Newey has opted for a rare twin keel. See here: Analysis: Newey surprises with twin keel
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