2013 Korean Grand Prix

[SectorOne]

It´s all about minimize the compromise. Red Bull has done a better job, simple stuff. But to say they are quicker in the high speed is lying to yourself.
They are better in S1 and S3 which was enough to give them pole.

[zeph]

Interesting article on why Vettel/RBR are so superior:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/24386679

[gandharva]

S1 traction, acceleration, drag.
S2 downforce
S3 mechanical grip, acceleration, traction.

You are missing top speed in S1.

RBR owns S1 and S3. So Hamilton should overtake Vettel in S2 during the race? Good luck!

[komninosm]

Interesting article on why Vettel/RBR are so superior:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/24386679

I feel I lost IQ points just by reading that.

After a nonsense, no-evidence, numbers out of a hat, speculation on F1 engineering he comes up with these gems:

"I'm not sure Hamilton has it in him to understand the concept of the car, how it works and then go out there and exploit it to the maximum."
-I'll quote Hamilton here as commentary: "Maybe it's because I'm black. That's what Ali G says."

"You see Alonso trying to lead the team. Is that because the team needs to be lead, or because that is the way he is?"
-Alonso may be a dick who was caught cheating at least twice, but how can anyone say with a straight face that Ferrari team does not need to be lead. Psychobabble either way, but at least I'm not trying to write a "serious" article...

"Vettel, by contrast, is a young guy with a huge amount of faith in Newey, quite rightly. If he's told: "This is the way the car works, you need to find a way of using it", I think he would go out and dig deep to try to do so. "
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I'm almost speechless. Red Bull is a team that's "bending" (see what I did there?) the spirit of F1. From flexi-wing controversy to having 4 fracking cars on the road, I mean they don't even try with the name Torro Rosso? Come on! Of course a team with extra cars is going to have an advantage. Not to mention the millions of dollars spent by the corporation and who knows how much lines FIA's pockets. It's a joke really to think a team can do what they did in a few years without "inside" help.
See? I can drop stupid baseless accusations and uninformed opinions and pass them as facts just like the guy who wrote that article tries to do.

Like I said, lost IQ points and time reading that drivel.

[mkay]

S1 traction, acceleration, drag.
S2 downforce
S3 mechanical grip, acceleration, traction.

You are missing top speed in S1.

RBR owns S1 and S3. So Hamilton should overtake Vettel in S2 during the race? Good luck!

Mercedes has actually greater top speed that RBR; it's just that RBR has such a great drive out of T1 and T3. (Vettel: 315.8kph, Hamilton: 317.x kph)

[Poleman]

Speedtraps from Qualifying

1 Fernando Alonso 320.0
2 Felipe Massa 319.4
3 Mark Webber 319.0
4 Sergio Perez 318.8
5 Esteban Gutierrez 317.7
6 Nico Hulkenberg 317.6
7 Lewis Hamilton 317.5
8 Jean-Eric Vergne 317.4
9 Adrian Sutil 317.2
10 Paul di Resta 317.0
11 Daniel Ricciardo 316.5
12 Sebastian Vettel 315.8
13 Nico Rosberg 315.6
14 Jenson Button 314.4
15 Pastor Maldonado 313.4
16 Valtteri Bottas 313.3
17 Max Chilton 312.3
18 Jules Bianchi 312.1
19 Giedo van der Garde 310.7
20 Charles Pic 310.4
21 Kimi Räikkönen 310.3
22 Romain Grosjean 310.2

[motobaleno]

Interesting article on why Vettel/RBR are so superior:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/24386679

this article is really bad
many many words ta say basically nothing

[SectorOne]

You are missing top speed in S1.

RBR owns S1 and S3. So Hamilton should overtake Vettel in S2 during the race? Good luck!

Obviously the top speed is not enough to overcome the acceleration and traction out of the corners leading on to the big straights.
And i never said he should overtake him in S2, but before S2. So he´s first into S2.

[Chuckjr]

I've read often how many (not just here at f1technical) do not feel the RB is genuinly 2 seconds faster per lap.

Does this quote from Lewis Hamilton convince that the RB really is 2 seconds-and then some-faster than the field, or do you think he's just fristrated, and is simply feeding the media some kind of answer rather than contemplated hard facts?

"Lewis, quick question: just looking back at the Singapore race. When the team analysed the performance of both you and Nico and Sebastian, you were so close to him in qualifying in terms of team pace, then he had that two seconds a lap advantage when he was sprinting, but do you think that was a bit of a false picture because he was very much pushing to open up that gap and maybe you guys were obviously in a different position in that race. Do you think that the gap we saw open up was a slightly false picture?
LH: I don’t, personally, think so. No. I think that’s the true pace of their car. Perhaps they have a lot more in the bag than we get to see, so it’s just cruising, generally. I think in the race on the restart everyone’s pushing flat out so there should be no reason why they should be able to pull away that much quicker. If you look at their on-boards, he’s on the power, full throttle at least twenty meters before everyone else which is a huge advantage.

What sort of reaction does that make you have and the team have; what can you do about that?
LH: There’s nothing we can really do, we’re always asking for rear downforce, always want to be able to get on the power sooner. But the last time I was able to put the pedal down that quick was what, 2007, 2008? 2007 when we had traction control, so it’s a lot different."

Source: Korean GP press conference transcript.
http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/ ... ranscript/

[Hobbs04]

Ferrari race pace looks really bad? Reckon they are hiding something? Kimi is right at the top too

http://intelligentf1.files.wordpress.co ... orea_1.png

This graph is from http://intelligentf1.wordpress.com/

Credit where credit is due... One of my favorite sites. Makes more sense if you read the whole article.

IMHO Ferrari were on heavy fuel as they qualified well.

Lotus look good very good.

Red Bull are too good.

[zeph]

Interesting article on why Vettel/RBR are so superior:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/24386679

I feel I lost IQ points just by reading that.

That' s okay, but you quote the worst bits of the article. I thought his take on why Vettel makes the EBD work better than Webber was clear and concise.

[Traction]

Anyone else expecting something good from Grosjean today? With a bit of a grid promotion and if he keeps it together I think he's on the podium at the end.

[Steven]

As usual, check http://www.f1technical.net/live/ to chat about this session and follow what the teams are saying through the twitter feed.

[zeph]

It seemed as if Massa messed up Alonso's entry into the first turn...

edit:

Nope, it was Rosberg. But Massa's spin compromised him as well.

[zeph]

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