Scuderia Ferrari 2013

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donskar wrote:
diffuser wrote:I can't see that the new tunnel will be that much better than Toyota's. They have a new aerodynamicist as well.
Do you have a link or any factual information to support your belief? Would appreciate knowing why you believe this.

at the risk of reopening this debate...last year Ferrari stated that they would used the Toyota tunnel till the one in Maranello was repaired cause it was "state of the art". I just don't see the Toyota tunnel going from State of the art to has been in 1 year. With regards to the turn around time you might have a valid point except...but to what degree if they're limited to the number of tunnel hrs.

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diffuser wrote:
donskar wrote:
diffuser wrote:I can't see that the new tunnel will be that much better than Toyota's. They have a new aerodynamicist as well.
Do you have a link or any factual information to support your belief? Would appreciate knowing why you believe this.

at the risk of reopening this debate...last year Ferrari stated that they would used the Toyota tunnel till the one in Maranello was repaired cause it was "state of the art". I just don't see the Toyota tunnel going from State of the art to has been in 1 year. With regards to the turn around time you might have a valid point except...but to what degree if they're limited to the number of tunnel hrs.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110263

Tombazis:
"Our data and instrumentation was quite outdated so we couldn't do that many runs and experiments per day, which was a bit of a drawback."

He said somewhere else - maybe SKy - that they couldn't have their models as big as they would like either - I guess 50% rather than 60%.

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I was thinking whether to post that as a news, but let's go here only. Alonso hit out Pirelli, and Paul Hembrey felt obliged to respond, see text below, copy paste from James Allen's site.
Fernando Alonso has got involved in a spat with Pirelli over the tyres in use this weekend in Korea. They are the same supersoft and medium compound tyres used in Singapore, but Alonso criticised them after qualifying, saying that Ferrari seemed to have a particular problem with graining on the supersofts this weekend and if he pushed them too hard in the first sector he risked not being able to complete the lap.

“The tyres cannot do five kilometres. If you push them, you finish the tyres. It’s something that is not normal,” he said in the paddock after qualifying. “We have to be honest and the quality of the tyres is very on the limit.

“It is the same for everybody and I am sure all the cars, if they pushed 100 per cent from the start of the lap, they would not last 5km. So this is not very helpful, and it is not very nice to drive like this for 95 per cent of the lap.

“I am not blaming the tyres. But they are not good. We all see with our eyes. But it is the same tyres for everybody.”

Alonso, who sees his hopes of competing for the world championship receding with every track session at the moment, qualified sixth in Korea, 0.8 seconds off the pace of championship leader Sebastian Vettel. There were criticisms of the tyres in the first half of the season, when they were very much on the edge and in Silvertsone, Spain and Bahrain suffered failures which led to a forced change of construction, back to the 2012 model with a kevlar belt instead of steel. This has definitely hurt Ferrari’s competitiveness, as it has Force India and to some extent Lotus. But Ferrari has also failed to bring through powerful upgrades to its car to keep it on terms with the Red Bull. In the first quarter of the season Alonso and Ferrari were winning races.

Pirelli motorsport boss Paul Hembery did not hold back in his response to Alonso’s criticisms.

“Of course Alonso is one of the great F1 drivers, so to hear such comments is disappointing and below the standards you would expect from such a champion,”Hembery told Reuters.

“I can only suggest he goes to ask the soon-to-be four-times champion how to get the best from the same tyres.”

The FIA World Motor Sport Council confirmed last week that Pirelli would continue to supply tyres to F1 in 2014, but added that it would be closely monitoring quality. Alonso’s criticism at this moment will have irked Pirelli, as Hembery’s tone suggests.
UPDATE: An apology and private chat from Pirelli - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/24419856

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Paul Hembrery is an asshole. This has been the worst season in F1 in last 30 years and Pirelli and he FIA are the guilties.

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Yea he´s a bit deluded. I love the comment about asking Vettel how to manage the tires better.
That just shows where he´s set the bar knowledge-wise.

If we are stuck 5 more years with these --- tires i might just stop watching F1.
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I'd guess the tyres next year will be much more conservative. I'm sure the FIA put a rocket up them after the Silverstone debacle. Additionally, they will be pretty desperate to avoid all the bad press they got this year. Though I'm still not convinced that they are capable of designing a decent tyre.

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"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe." Murray Walker, San Marino 1985

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I think Ferrari has been a mess in the last 2 years, all stemming from aero issues. I think the aero team has been a major disappointment. I agree with Alonzo it is a miracle that they are where they are in points. The best thing to have happened this year was the switch to the Lotus aero guy in late September.


Well that and the addition of James Allison.

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diffuser wrote:I think Ferrari has been a mess in the last 2 years, all stemming from aero issues. I think the aero team has been a major disappointment. I agree with Alonzo it is a miracle that they are where they are in points. The best thing to have happened this year was the switch to the Lotus aero guy in late September.


Well that and the addition of James Allison.
They haven't been such a mess. Just take a look at those 2 years and Imagine Red Bull Racing never existed; you'll inmediately get a different picture. Ferrari actually did a very good job, but it's just that red bull whipes the floor with everybody else in F1.
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As most of us have probably thought, even if we haven't admitted it, he's been demoted.

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munudeges wrote:As most of us have probably thought, even if we haven't admitted it, he's been demoted.
And justifiably so, IMHO. So now, Ferrari starts all over again.
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"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe." Murray Walker, San Marino 1985

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Nice cfd image, showing vortices and pathlines going outward and than back inwards between the rear tyres.
Stange choice to have aero explained by Resta - maybe because of the audience target.
Animation and drawings by Piola in an official ferrari clip: is it the first time or has it happened before?
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A thought that just occurred to me: if Ross brawn does leave Mercedes, I think he'd be good as team principal for Ferrari (remembering that that wasn't his role before)


I like domenicali, but the team needs to do better and the guy in the top job is ultimately responsible for lack of success. Just a thought.