Scuderia Ferrari 2013

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He´s gonna be pissed if in 2015 Ferrari finally gets it right,
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f1universe wrote:They keep talking about it over and over again, maybe they want a medal.
He didn't raise the subject. He was asked a question and answered it. He can't help that people keep asking.

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If someone said to me that you can have three wishes, my first would have been to get into racing, my second to be in Formula 1, my third to drive for Ferrari.

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From the Mercedes team thread
Bomber_Pilot wrote:Well, Ferrari claim they have done a 1,95s stop at the last race.

And here's the video

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCrj-Nz0JbI[/youtube]

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Newey studying the F138 before the Indian GP..

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If James Allison believes there is nothing wrong with Ferrari operationally at the track then he's not watching the same team I am.

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munudeges wrote:
If James Allison believes there is nothing wrong with Ferrari operationally at the track then he's not watching the same team I am.
Perhaps he is being diplomatic, but then again I'm always reminded of how things in an organization can seem fine when one first starts working there. Only after time goes by, does it become apparent that the supposedly "fine" organization is completely dysfunctional.
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I noticed in India how Alonso had a contact at the beginning of the race, asked his team after a (short) while if something was wrong with his car and got in response "we'll have a look at it".
I found it quite strange that his race engineer didn't know this allready and had to start asking questions only when the driver asked for it, if it were Red Bull, the driver probably got an instant anser or they perhaps told what they saw on the data before the driver even asked.
By this you loose time on track because you can't reasure the driver instantly.

Mind you, I do think that if there where a big problem someone looking at telemetry would have reported it to Alonso's race engineer. But on the other hand they couldn't make a good guess on the front wing in Malaysia.
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There is a delay in the radio communications we get on TV. The question and the answer probably happened like 2 and 3 seconds after the contact.
Also, if something is wrong, say, with cooling, or a wheel misalignment, it will be a while before any sensor has anything to pick up. The team can only look at sensors and (HR) pictures, which take a while (60 seconds?) to get an analyze.
In most cases, the majority is below the average.

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We can't read too much into the snippets of radio transmissions, we don't have the full picture of what information has previously been exchanged, nor the individual dynamics between driver and engineer. Also the engineer is managing the driver as well as the engineering.

To my ears, most of the radio extracts seem quite anodyne. An emotive driver reports something that he's not happy with and the pit wall's job is to calm them down. In most cases the pit wall respond with "we're looking into it" or similar, its a passive non-committal response to say the message has been received and politely telling the driver that the engineers know their job.

Now I think about it, those radio transmissions are always one way - either the pit instructing the driver, or the driver reporting a problem. The response is nearly always a non-committal acknowledgement of the message.

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munudeges wrote:
If James Allison believes there is nothing wrong with Ferrari operationally at the track then he's not watching the same team I am.
Who's more qualified to make the judgement?
JET set

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Or perhaps he's simply in PR mode and would only say nice things?

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munudeges wrote:
If James Allison believes there is nothing wrong with Ferrari operationally at the track then he's not watching the same team I am.
By "operationally" I understand that, at the trackside, all things go as they are supposed to and everyone is doing everything as they sould. Ex.: the mechanic does his job, the wheelgun man does his job, the garage is assembled as it shoud be, they don't mess up pitstops, they don't put a front wheel on the back etc.
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richard_leeds wrote:Or perhaps he's simply in PR mode and would only say nice things?
Maybe, but then have we any reason to not believe Allison?

As Stefan says, Ferrari get it right more times than most on race weekends, "operationally".
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Why polarise it into agree or disagree? Allison and the Ferrari PR team did their job and recorded the required passive non-committal comments. There's nothing more to it than that.