Help needed identifying 80s F1car (now indy car)!!!

[kurtiejjj]

Hi everyone I need some help from a few F1 anoraks . Some of you know about my antics of trying to build an carbon fibre monocoque myself on which I have been posting in the chassis category. But I have also been considering other options like just buying a cheap F1 car roller instead of building something myself.

Now I have been offered an 1980s f1 car in bits by a 'dealer' for an incredibly cheap price, it doesn't have an engine yet but that not really a problem. What is a problem is that no-one actually knows what make it is! Including me and the seller. Here is a (not so clear) picture of it:



It has a carbon fibre monocoque and the body seems quite curvy. Does anyone here know which type it is?

It's a real barn-find as you can see, a restorers wet dream and also mine when it turns out to be a genuine F1 car !

So do let me know, would really appreciate it!

[Scuderia_Russ]

I'd put money on no-one guessing what it is from that picture. Go through the bits, especially the bodywork because usually there are lifing numbers etc. on the rear of the carbon fibre. There is boiund to be a chassis tag or etched part with some numbers or names on it somewhere.
Do you mind me asking what exactly it is you will be getting and how much you will be forking out for it? Very intreaging. Is it in Europe?

[manchild]

If it is of any help it is V6 Turbo. So count out all cars of turbo era that used V8 or 4 cyl in line turbo.

This might sound pretentious but did you ask the guy who sells it to take a peak inside on chassis/tub (next to driver's seat) and read out aluminum chassis plate (in those days they were not glued). I see no reason why would anyone take off chassis plate.

[wrk]

this site may help

http://www.gpliveuk.com/gplive-stars-cars/cars80s.asp

good luck

[kurtiejjj]

Yes I know it sounds all a bit vague, but the point is I don't understand the seller also doesn't know yet, I suspect he is selling it for someone else and hasn't looked into it that well yet perhaps, he is a respected seller so though. I have been browsing through statsf1.com which has pictures of most f1 cars, and there are similarities between an Osella and ensign.

Manchild are you sure about it being a V6 turbo?

I also thought it perhaps could be an Indy car, as the body looks remarkably similar to an 82 March. However I am not at all into indy-cars so I'm not sure. Any help appreciated, I hope the seller will send me a better pic soon.

[manchild]

Manchild are you sure about it being a V6 turbo?

Yep, there are 6 pipes in that bucket with those plates so that they can be attached on cyl. head with screws (I don't know the exact English term for that).

There's a rusty turbo charger laying on the floor next to chassis. So I say it is V6 T (unless some of the pipes are turned in other direction and that is Alfa V8 turbo).

White color of the bodywork could give you a hint too.

I also think it could be Osella.

[Scuderia_Russ]

What country is this in?

[manchild]

If you look at the connectors on the extension cord I think it becomes clear that is not in Europe but USA (perhaps UK, I have no idea what kind of connectors are in use in UK).

Another info to ease identifying, it is TWIN turbo. One turbo charger is in the same bucket with exhaust pipes and second one is right on the floor next to chassis. Just brighten up the pic. and add some contrast.

If it is F1 at all than it is early/first half of the '80s F1 because there's still a lot of aluminum in use (rear wing on the right, leaned on the wall).

[kurtiejjj]

Manchild you're right I couldn't see the turbo on the floor and after some counting it seems there are indeed 6 pipes . My computer's screen is for some reason very dark I edited the pic with photoshop to brighten it up and now I can also see that the bottom part of the chassis is in aluminium.

Futhermore the seller is selling it for his friend, as I expected. And it seems it is quite complete with suspension thingies etc. Seller will come up with more info in the next couple of days.

Manchild you're right it is indeed a twin-turbo however I don'think it is used this ford http://www.race-cars.com/engsold/coswor ... 4596pp.htm, as I expected it is from the early 80s as it uses some aluminium but it also seems to has quite long side-pods. However these turbo seem a little agricultural for F1 maybe this car turns out to be an indy car. Hopefully not though as I'm not interested in indy cars.

It is indeed in england scuderia_russ, very well spotted with that extension cord

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[Ted68]

Go back and empty the cockpit. On the left hand side, under the edge of the cowling will be the FIA-required manufacturers tag, this will give you the builder, year, model and series number.

And if you don't buy it, PM me, I bloody well will!

Ted

[waynes]

for some wierd reason i keep thinking of the renault works team

i built a tamiya renault and the tub looks similar

[Ted68]

Minardi M86????? I thought Renault at first also, but the cowling around he cokpit doesn't fit that. Arrows A8 or A9? Hard to say.

[Scuderia_Russ]

It is indeed in england scuderia_russ

If you want a half qualified Race Technician to look over it for you I'm your man.

[benjabulle]

That's not a Renault, no more an Osella or Minardi. I would say an Indycar, I can see a hole in the rear body which could be the turbo inlet.

[sh^rkbo0ts]

Is it a March 84c (indycar)?