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I think its just reinforced with Aluminium, it looks like a plate over the chassis rather than the whole chassis.
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http://www.race-cars.com/utility/photos ... 3cx1pa.jpg
http://www.british-sitcoms.com/F180s.jpg

They are very similar, but the height of the cockpit and the rollbar still don't quite match for me. Perhaps these are slightly different versions of the same car.

Also look closely at the nose, the unknown cars nose tapers off very quickly like an Arrows or Osella, whereas the indycar nose stays the same width from the cockpit to in front of the suspension before thinning a little and stopping abruptly.
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Yes, more info has arrived :lol: :

chassis plate says advance composites 1752 group ref number
014267 number 1,made for theodore and supplied to sid taylor team
manager of theodore at the time in 1980's

So it's a theodore! On the picture there were exhausts and turbos for a DFX which aren't included, seems rather dodgy to keep parts of another car there as well but the owner does have an indy theodore as well. Advanced composites is british isn't it, maybe they kept some files on their old projects? Any insiders on this forum?

Arghh, this is getting more and more confusing! Especially while the car originally had a Hewland FGA gearbox which is usally used in combination with a Cosworth DFV. I asked the owner to take a clearer shot of the body of the car which I hope he will have in next couple of days.

I have the feeling this might be a prototype car.

I also posted this topic on the ten-tenths.com forum by the way. Anyone knows a good indy-car / CART resource site? Maybe some more info there, I can't find one with google sadly. If this is an indy-car, did they use carbon fibre monocoques at the time(1983-1984)?
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I looked at the '84 Theadore today but dismissed it as it was supposed to have an alu chassis and I think it was a straight 4T, might well be a prototype, although you mentioned the DFV, was that ever turbocharged?
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There was no Theodore in 1984

If that car used Cosworth DFV than what are two turbos doing there?

Is he sure that Ford engine at the back of that car wasn't Ford V6 turbo?

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Ford F1 V6t 1.5 (1986)
Ford TEC V6t 1.5 (1987)

A pic from UK of very similar car...
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I hope it is a some kind of prototype would be great! It could very well had a 4T engine, maybe a hart (I hope so as they're not anything more expensive to run than a ford BDA), instead of an FGA gearbox it could have had an FGB which is basically the same only stronger to cope with these incredible amounts of horses.
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Manchild turbos are apparently not included :roll:
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kurtiejjj wrote:Manchild turbos are apparently not included :roll:
Not included in what? Why would two turbo chargers lay in a garage full of parts of an F1 car if they don't belong to it? One of them in the same plastic bucket with exhaust pipes! Those are not complete turbochargers but only exhaust driven turbines - compressor turbines are missing (they wouldn't rust since they're made of aluminum).
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Indycar Theodore :
http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/other ... 5468pp.htm
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You need this car in your life!! Put a Rover V8 in it!!
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I don't think it is Indy Theodore. March83 is much more similar.

He could put V8 if it was powered by DFV but if it was 1.5l V6 than big capacity V8 would be too long and too high and wide to fit under theengine cover.
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manchild wrote:
kurtiejjj wrote:Manchild turbos are apparently not included :roll:
Not included in what? Why would two turbo chargers lay in a garage full of parts of an F1 car if they don't belong to it? One of them in the same plastic bucket with exhaust pipes! Those are not complete turbochargers but only exhaust driven turbines - compressor turbines are missing (they wouldn't rust since they're made of aluminum).
turbines and exhausts are from his other car an indy theodore, yes I know, it seems to be getting more confusing and strange by the minute, however I will wait till some new pics before I make my verdict :lol:
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manchild wrote: He could put V8 if it was powered by DFV but if it was 1.5l V6 than big capacity V8 would be too long and too high and wide to fit under theengine cover.
:roll: Okay, then put an Alfa Romeo V6 in it!
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Scuderia_Russ wrote::roll: Okay, then put an Alfa Romeo V6 in it!
I wasn't provoking. Alfa Romeo was V8 Turbo (now I am) :mrgreen: no offence meant, just kidding :wink:

Check this info (regarding aluminum at the bottom)
March 86C Indy Car, new tub, still honeycomb alloy with carbon top per CART rules, March's peak in Indy cars
http://www.race-cars.com/utility/marchr.htm

So I think it is clear that we're talking about Indy car, not F1 car.
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This is the car Manchild posted
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