Schumacher - Musings about honours

[Scuderia Nuvolari]

Mod: These posts were split from the discussion about Schumacher's ski accident.
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stirling moss was in a coma for a month [ not induced ] ; paralysed down one side for 6 months
drove at le mans until he was 80 !
still to early to know the final outcome

Sir Stirling Moss is really a piece of work, isn't he?
How many race car drivers are officially knighted?
Do you blokes call him lord Stirling or sir Stirling?

[multisync]

stirling moss was in a coma for a month [ not induced ] ; paralysed down one side for 6 months
drove at le mans until he was 80 !
still to early to know the final outcome

Sir Stirling Moss is really a piece of work, isn't he?
How many race car drivers are officially knighted?
Do you blokes call him lord Stirling or sir Stirling?

A Lord is not the same as a Knight therefore he is known as Sir Stirling

Sir Jackie Stewart
Sir jack Brabham

[Sebp]

On that note:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sp ... _and_dames

[turbof1]

stirling moss was in a coma for a month [ not induced ] ; paralysed down one side for 6 months
drove at le mans until he was 80 !
still to early to know the final outcome

Sir Stirling Moss is really a piece of work, isn't he?
How many race car drivers are officially knighted?
Do you blokes call him lord Stirling or sir Stirling?

A Lord is not the same as a Knight therefore he is known as Sir Stirling

Sir Jackie Stewart
Sir jack Brabham

Lord is a medieval term for someone who rules over others. Probably comes from the feudal age where a ruler has a large plot of land. He lets people live on that in exchange for obedience and farming his land. Of course nowadays that core meaning has changed. Currently I believe it refers that you own a certain plot of land (for example queen elizabeth II owns the island Mann and thus is also called "Lord of Mann"), and of course requires you to be of nobility.

Knight is just a title for somebody risen to nobility. I don't think somebody can just rise to Lordship; the title of lord stays within the family and is given to the children over centuries for now, but an outsider probably never can become a lord in this modern era.

Just trying to pull back to the topic's subject here, Schumacher can probably not be knighted in Germany. There isn't any royal court there anymore. He can however be still knighted in a foreign land. I hope that if he gets back on his feet that'll he be knighted in England; F1 will always be associated as a by roots English sport, and he clearly meant a lot for that sport.

[Holm86]

Is'nt 90% of all famous british people knighted?? Seems that way.

[turbof1]

Yeah. You even have ranks in that. Lots of them. I mean it's nice to be knighted, but nobody is going to notice you are a "Knight-Commander" instead of just an ordinary Knight.

[adrianjordan]

A Lord is not the same as a Knight therefore he is known as Sir Stirling

Sir Jackie Stewart
Sir jack Brabham

Lord is a medieval term for someone who rules over others. Probably comes from the feudal age where a ruler has a large plot of land. He lets people live on that in exchange for obedience and farming his land. Of course nowadays that core meaning has changed. Currently I believe it refers that you own a certain plot of land (for example queen elizabeth II owns the island Mann and thus is also called "Lord of Mann"), and of course requires you to be of nobility.

Knight is just a title for somebody risen to nobility. I don't think somebody can just rise to Lordship; the title of lord stays within the family and is given to the children over centuries for now, but an outsider probably never can become a lord in this modern era.

Just trying to pull back to the topic's subject here, Schumacher can probably not be knighted in Germany. There isn't any royal court there anymore. He can however be still knighted in a foreign land. I hope that if he gets back on his feet that'll he be knighted in England; F1 will always be associated as a by roots English sport, and he clearly meant a lot for that sport.

You can become a Lord even if you're not born one. A certain number of the members of the House Of Lords are appointed by the government...

[Richard]

an outsider probably never can become a lord in this modern era.

Not so! Nearly all members of the House of Lords were commoners (I presume that's what you meant by outsiders?) appointed for life (aka Life Peer). They tend to be political grandees, civil servants, former judges, former military chiefs, or they're appointed for their expertise. For example Doreen Lawrence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doreen_Law ... _Clarendon . There are also a bunch of bishops, and 92 spaces for a selection of the old fashioned hereditary peers. Wiki estimates there are 800ish of the old fashioned hereditary peers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hereditary_peer

Schumacher ... can however be still knighted in a foreign land. I hope that if he gets back on his feet that'll he be knighted in England

Only people from the Commonwealth can be knighted (ie Sir Jack Brabham is Australian), so Schumacher will never be knighted unless he changes his nationality. Non-commonwealth people can have an honorary knighthood, but can't call themselves "sir" or "dame". Bob Geldof is a notable example. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ho ... sh_Knights

ps Its the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, not "England".

[turbof1]

I stand corrected .

I know that in atleast in some countries a foreigner can be knighted. I believe that's possible in Belgium, but not 100% sure.

[Sebp]

Here in Germany we have this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesverdienstkreuz

The Bundesverdienstkreuz (a very german word, don't you think?).

I guess Schumi will end up with it sooner or later.

[Scuderia Nuvolari]

Maybe Shumi will get the pour le merite