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I think it should be the final three races or nothing.
Yeah, so if doing it once is a bad idea, doing it three times is GOOD idea? Right, Mr. E.
NASCAR has The Chase and now Formula One will have a "second season." Why not just allow the top three drivers to compete for double points, then sell the whole show to the France family?
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DNF´s are largely an uncontrolled thing and if you happen to have a DNF in the last race then all of a sudden that´s like having two DNF´s in a row.
I´m not sure what Bernie was smoking either when he wanted the last three to count as double.
This idea probably stems from ALMS but the difference there is they run races that varies from 2,5 hours to 12 hours.
It´s a big difference from just running approximately 300km in every event.
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It's the same for everybody. It's not random, and it doesn't punish a leading car. What it does is prevent Redbull from finishing the season 3 races out.
In fact what Bernie should have done as well is to have points handed out for every finishing position.
As that would speak to the reliability of the cars.
There will also be more emphasis on the lower finishing cars fighting for points they can actually get.
Any sport is set up so that the players and the fans know the point structure. The athletes understand what is necessary to achieve points. To introduce a new point system is always controversial to any sport. In American basketball, the three point circle meant that players would have to spend more time practicing the outside shot, and practice defending against it. Managers had to change the way they made personnel decisions based on the new required skill set. The decision to make fundamental changes to the way points are scored should never be taken lightly.
For obvious reasons F1 is different in basketball. Because of the scientific nature of the sports, the cars evolve, and the rules must evolve with the cars. But consistency is still important to the athletes, the teams and most importantly, to the fans. From 1962 to 1990 the F1 points system for individual races did not change, and from 1950 to 2002 there was still a great deal of consistency with the only changes being to the points awarded to the winning driver increasing from 8 to 10 over the course of 50 years. With this latest change the point structure has changed three times in since 2003. Moreover, this is not just a change to the basic points structure. This changes the structure of the whole championship, because, now, some wins are now more important than others.
Now, I must admit that I have advocated, elsewhere in this forum, that point structure (and prize money) should give the teams at the back of the field more of an opportunity and an incentive to compete in F1. That is not to say that said changes should be carried out in some half-assed way for the sake of generating a bit more revenue, without deep consideration about what effect this will have on the sport itself.
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i assume the double points idea is actually from the grand prix' organisers, whom are feeling they miss out on 'interest' because of a already decided championship. But let's not forget Formula 1 is older then 2013. There have been various championships decided far ahead of the final grand prix', and it has been for decades.
In today's world of F1, money is all that counts, sadly. The promotors, sponsors, benefitters, will be seeking out to make
most gain in $$. So if they are able to make a buck, they'll grab it. They don't care for the sport. That's the entire problem.
So if they'll suck it dry, it'll happen.
All along, Ecclestone will first of all grab any buck he can just aswell. If only it was to pay for a bailout in his scandal, or
for his enheritance. Whatever.
Ecclestone does know how to play the media though, you've gotta give him that. And so, this entire 'double points plan',
might just aswell be nothing but an 'attention harlot'. It's simple; 'shocking' or 'mediaworthy' F1 News that'll last throughout
the winter before the new cars are presented. In the meantime, the promotors of the last [2 or 3] races already get attention NOW. People will focus. People will buy tickets in advance, so they'll have a ticket to this 'interesting' double points race.
Because even if the idea is rediculous, it's still interesting.
So the promotors get the attention they want; Bernie and CVC will get the expose they want to maintain a constant Newsworth, the Teams get a chance to say something so they'll get media attention, and last but not least: attention is shifted from Bernie's scandal to this 'plan' that'll never happen. Everybody's happy. Hell, they'd even give the fans the idea they have a saying in this and might just say thanks to the fans' input they've decided it wouldn't weigh up to the benefits.
In the meantime, Bernie's got everybody fooled.
That's win-win scenario 1 for Bernie and the promotors and, well, everybody, really.
The other win-win scenario for Bernie is, that it might actually happen.
If it would happen, the 'heat' on the subject slowly fades away, with the new car presentations popping up, and the season
coming to a start in the new 2014 V6T and aero format. And rest assured, the car's designs will take focus by then.
Then we'll be presented a F1 season filled with drama [either failing engines, engine scandals, or again, tire sagas].
At the final stages, we suddenly remember the double points format, assuring it'll last even more and keep championship open longer, like a gambling game [yes, gamblers will be happy too].
People will have interest to what's gonna happen, and drivers and teams will invest their utmost to get the most out of the final races.
For entertainment purposes; another win-win situation. For the teams aswell, because it maintains interest in the sport.
And the promotors get their attention, AND get to ask higher prices for tickets; instead of having to lower the pricetag because the season might already has been decided.
Not so good for actual 'tactics'. Not so good for teams' financial health. Because it's gonna suck them dry even more to keep capable of fighting for the championship regarding development. That's gonna cost lots of money, and will cost development focus for 2015. It's gonna cost the engine manufactureres more investment aswell, because teams will be more eager to harvest points in the double points races, so they'll be demanding the most reliable engines for the final races.
so for the sport, for the teams, and F1 as a whole, it's absolutely terrible.
But for the commercial and entertainment part; either way is a win-win situation.
You might get a re-run of a breakaway series threat by ferrari and teams that suffer. But again, even that is a win-win
scenario for the commercial and entertainment industry: more scandals, more shocking news thus exposition thus money.
It'll burn for a while then everybody comes to an agreement and all will be handled for a while; perhaps untill the next concorde agreement. And repeat.
Clever.
Unfortunately, 'they' aren't realising, that in due time, people will get fed up with that. And current investors don't care about that because they're not in it for the 'long haul'. They'll suck it dry and then leave the mess for another one to rebuild it so they can suck it dry. The problem is though; if they LOSE the fans; they lose the entire game, the entire sport, the entire franchise.
Ferrari could do without F1. They could go to Le Mans. Perhaps Indycar, whatever. Breakaway series. Mclaren can do without F1. They're building their company solid enough to live on. RedBull surely doesn't need F1. the rest of the teams unfortunately can't say the same. But in the end; they could go to GP2 or start other motorsport class outfits or activities.
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So lets get this right, The lots of teams and drivers have said this is a bad idea. But yet at the meeting nobody says anything?
So we are stuck with one of the Bernie idiotic ideas, which i would not be surprised came about thought money changing hands, which am guessing may also be keeping the teams from voting this down.
What would be funny (totally unrealistic, and not would never happen) would be at the last race of the season the if there was a winner due to double points, All of the Fans and Media congratulated the "true" winner and pretended that the the double points never happened.
Not ever going to happen, but would make me smile , All Hail "The Peoples Champ"
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Kiril Varbanov wrote:I'm yet to see an online poll that has a favorable results for the rule. An apparent ignore of fans opinion by the powers-that-be.
What a joke F1 is becoming. It wont make the actual race any more exciting at that horrid venue. I still hate DRS for it being unfair and selling out the sport for the channel hoppers that need instant 'action'. I hope it leads to the championship being unfairly awarded to the person that gets lucky on the final round and the ensuing uproar leads to the rule being scrapped for ever.
Never been so close to abandoning F1. The new technical regs are the only thing thats kept me. Gone from 100% viewing every session to not bothering if I missed whole races last year
