Mercedes F1 W05 Pre-launch Speculation

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Frafer wrote:
acosmichippo wrote:I dunno, I'd think if it really made that much of a difference, they'd have been using black (or bare/clear coated carbon) much more historically. Plus McLaren, Force India, and apparently Merc are not doing unpainted carbon, but actual black paint. And mclaren's black is on the wings, nowhere near any heat.
It's not that much of a difference, but it's a difference. For historic part, do you know why mercedes are called silver arrows? :wink: And in the 70s, 80s, 90s the blanket was definitely less narrow than nowadays..
Force india we dunno, it's a rendering, and mclaren is black in the wings because lack of main sponsor and indeed there is some weight saving (let's say 200 grams more in the ballast?)
yes, I realize why Merc was called silver arrows, which is why I said "much more historically". If that's the only example of a paintless car in 60+ years, it's an exception rather than a rule.

And why would there be weight savings on a wing painted black as opposed to any other color? That just doesn't make sense.

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Hmmmm ... the origin of the name "silver arrows" is dubious at best. Unfortunately, many motor racing historians now believe the paint-scraping story to be a myth, as the race where the livery first appeared was actually a Formula Libre event with no weight limit!

http://www.motorsportmusings.co.uk/2010 ... rows-myth/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Arrows#Story
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acosmichippo wrote: And why would there be weight savings on a wing painted black as opposed to any other color? That just doesn't make sense.
To me there is no paint in the wings of mclaren, only the sticking in RW. Just like suspensions arms, floor, brakes cooling devices..
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Undead_Mud wrote:Pic from Mercedes BBM:

http://postimage.org/
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Black in the livery looks good! Apart from that, it doesn't give away very much. The thin black vertical extensions to the wing mirrors were there before, right? What are those?
I see they went for the Lewis Hamilton-mirrors again, which is pretty cool to see. =D>

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Mercedes F1 on their Facebook page says that if the teaser they posted today gets 20,000 likes, they will post another one. Until now in 5 hours the picture has got more than 12,000 likes.
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Helios wrote:
Undead_Mud wrote:Pic from Mercedes BBM:

http://postimage.org/
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Black in the livery looks good! Apart from that, it doesn't give away very much. The thin black vertical extensions to the wing mirrors were there before, right? What are those?
I see they went for the Lewis Hamilton-mirrors again, which is pretty cool to see. =D>
How do you mean the "Lewis Hamilton-mirrors"?
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theformula wrote:
Helios wrote:
Undead_Mud wrote:Pic from Mercedes BBM:

http://postimage.org/
kostenlos bilder hochladen

Black in the livery looks good! Apart from that, it doesn't give away very much. The thin black vertical extensions to the wing mirrors were there before, right? What are those?
I see they went for the Lewis Hamilton-mirrors again, which is pretty cool to see. =D>
How do you mean the "Lewis Hamilton-mirrors"?
The mirrors used on the McLaren MP4-27 and last years Mercedes. I remember that during the launch of the MP4-27 Hamilton mentioned that he had been very keen on the design and placement of the mirrors being the way it was back in 2012. In his opinion it was much easier to use them this way.

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Hello I've been following threads on this site for a couple of years now but finally got around to make an account. I'm not going to have as much mechanical knowledge as most here but I'm passionate about f1, ever since I accidentally switched on to the 2007 Canadian Grand Prix. Regarding the W05,where it's mentioned that teams have to select their ratios for the year, does that mean the cars will have the same gearing for Monaco as for monza(I.e all season long) for example or does it mean the chosen ratios for all tracks have to be announced before the season starts?

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Multi21 wrote:Hello I've been following threads on this site for a couple of years now but finally got around to make an account. I'm not going to have as much mechanical knowledge as most here but I'm passionate about f1, ever since I accidentally switched on to the 2007 Canadian Grand Prix. Regarding the W05,where it's mentioned that teams have to select their ratios for the year, does that mean the cars will have the same gearing for Monaco as for monza(I.e all season long) for example or does it mean the chosen ratios for all tracks have to be announced before the season starts?
You choose your ratios at the beginning of the year and you cannot change them until the beginning of next year so yes you will have the same ratios in Monaco as you would at Monza.

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actually you are permitted to have one change during the season...
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Does that mean then that the lower gears will be meant for acceleration with 7th and 8th perhaps rarely being used around a street circuit like Monaco or Singapore?

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Means exactly that. The last two gears wont be used on some tracks... BTW I think RBR will be the first team who will use the permission to change the gears.
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Mr.G wrote:Means exactly that. The last two gears wont be used on some tracks... BTW I think RBR will be the first team who will use the permission to change the gears.
I'm guessing right after spa and monza?

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I remember reading somewhere (can't remember where though #-o ) that in most tracks the cars will use 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th gear. 8th will be used in Spa and Monza. 1st, 2nd, 3rd for start/pitstops only.

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mikeerfol wrote:I remember reading somewhere (can't remember where though #-o ) that in most tracks the cars will use 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th gear. 8th will be used in Spa and Monza. 1st, 2nd, 3rd for start/pitstops only.
I could definetly see the lower gears being used somewhere like in canada with the two hairpins