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The true irony of the Montoya move is that Pruett is a true team racer, and most likely helped Montoya during the weekend .. or he didn't .. anyways no help any more!

Nobody leading ever gives up an apex, and it was Montoya that was "off line", driving straight to the apex rather than setting up for the right left corner combo. On the other hand, in Nascar if someone can hit your car it's generally regarded as your fault because you let them get that close.

I'll never forget one year at the Bristol night race, when Jeff Gordon punted Rusty Wallace on the last turn .. Rusty said .. "it's my fault. I let him get too close!" It was a pretty blantant move but Rusty's comment uncovers the way these guys justify what goes on. You'd never hear that thought ecoed in F1, needless to say.

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Culture crash? How about Ganassi Team? Let me sum up what I wrote at another forum, where Montoya was attacked less than fairly. Please, mates, take this with a grain of salt. There Montoya was called "a guy with a history of being dangerous in F1", "he moved prematurely" and "he was regular in F3" or something like that, so I felt I had to answer somehow.

I know here things are different, I hope you find it funny, if longer than "War and Peace" (sorry, Tif, for the repetition). I know this is a rant if ever one existed. You can check the video of the crash and Ganassi team refilling abilities here and judge Pruett move. Please check what he did on Alex García on the same corner:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_if1mD1_mfc

"If Ganassi has the slightest idea on how to drive, he should put Pruett on probation to teach him what a partner should do when his teammate is like 100 mph faster than him: don't block him, stupid! If you see a lighting with a 42 on the door, move away, you, master of the “teammate’s behavior etiquette ”!

Would you allow Massa to block Kimi when Felipinho is slower? What kind of team manager manages his team that way, Mr. Ganassi? Were you really talking to Nascar.com or some newspaper, while your driver was overtaking everybody and his dog? That’s what I call strategy: move everybody away from your driver, EXCEPT your other driver.

Oh, and don’t forget to fail to fill his tank and spill gas on his rear window as a departing gift, please, Chip! Show us how a pit stop is done, pleeeze. No wonder that team was a catastrophe last year. Imagine if they were forced to use gas pumps, like in F1, instead of buckets! Their collective brain would blow an aneurysm, oh, giants of the pit stop…. They didn’t blow it because they lack brains, I bet.

A blocked gas pipe? What did they put on the pipe, a corncob? These guys must have organized last elections in Florida. Only thing they didn’t do was throwing a match at the car while departing the pit. We could baptize it the “Moe, Larry and Curly” Ganassi team.

Thanks for the lesson: Brawn must be wondering how you do it! I bet that if the pace car moved into the track Juan would have overtaken it: JPM was on fire and Pruett needed to lift the anchor of his car.

Now, the move by Pruett: that block could give anyone an honorary MBA on "moronity", with honors, cum laude.

I thank you all for showing me what a partner is: is a guy that blocks his teammate when “he only had to wait a couple of laps more”. Yeah, sure… Why don’t you call him on the radio and talk to him about it? “Well, I’ll let you pass after my mom, who is in the grandstands, wave at me! You know, I need her to be happy with his kid leading the race.”

After all that comedy, I can say I've never ever seen a driver so superior to the rest of the field. And in Mexico! Have you heard the phrase "andale, andale, arriba, arriba!”?

Pruett and Montoya at turn 1. Notice Pruett face. He declared through one of his spokemen: "I'm still thinking the move was premature".

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Now, I thought differently until today, but now, I think these Americans, so called “pilots”, don't have the slightest idea about driving on a street course, let me tell you. The word “bollocks” was invented specially for some of them.

Now, I might be overstepping a “little” there: I am as proud as you of the many "risks" taken by the daring Brussels Bureaucracy!

However, for some self criticism, some European F1 drivers don't know what competition is: many of them need a resolution of the European High Court to try to pass. If you rub them a little, they complain about you being too rude. If you overtake them, they complain: "Hey, that was illegal! Article 10.1.1.1.3 says that you have to have a contract signed in Maranello to do that! Gotcha! Moooooooommy!!!!! Juan tried to overtake me while we were playing in the track! He's mean to me!"

On the other hand, it seems NASCAR drivers can hunt you "wolf-pack" style in an oval, I concede. I would think they train in Afghanistan, in Abrams M-1, if I haven’t seen them last year racing at NASCAR. They are pretty cool about hard crashes, but a soft spin (hey, Mr. Scotty finished sixth, you sensitive fans of Mr. Pruett) takes them out of their clothes: I did not hear anybody here complaining when some guy put Monty into the wall a few races ago! "That was a honest mistake".

Yeah, sure. Nor did Montoya complain. He knows what he has to endure: "let's put the ‘bolivian’ to escape from a car on fire... that'll teach him, bwahahahahaha!" Then, “we whistle and look the other way. Who is going to complain? After all, the stewards are unable to take another penalty form: they’re too busy expelling half of the team managers as the cheaters they are!”

Scott probably doesn’t know that if you put your right rear corner on the path of a car that is 50 kph faster than you, you “might” spin. Rearview mirror has not been invented in NASCAR. They are waiting for Sato to arrive, I guess.

Well, let's put that in the past: anyway, any race on a "normal course", mano-a-mano, is going to be a probable win for Monty and they know it now. It seems that the little training Monty got on F3 paid off... The guy even apologized (c'mon, Juan, shame on them!)."
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Ignis Fatuus
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I'd say Monty took some other drivers by surprise. :lol:

It seems the two sorted things out, at least for now...


Montoya, Pruett Issue Statements
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Chip Ganassi Racing with Felix Sabates drivers Scott Pruett and Juan Pablo Montoya issued statements on Tuesday regarding their on track get together in last Sunday's Telcel-Motorola 200 at Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez.

Scott Pruett: "Sunday's race brought out a wide range of emotions from me. Although I am still upset that I did not win the race in Mexico City or finish 1-2, I do feel a lot better. I spoke to Juan Pablo and he apologized and I do know that what happened was not intentional on Juan's part. He and I have worked great together in the past - winning the 24 Hours - and I know we will work together in the future. Racing is an emotional sport and that is part of its beauty. I have been in racing for a long time and sometimes these things happen. I have moved on and now just look forward to getting back to racing."

Juan Pablo Montoya: "As I said for the last couple of days, I am very sorry about what happened with Scott and I am really disappointed that we did not finish 1-2. I think that we had the best cars in the field and I know Scott, Brian and the whole 41 team deserved better. I feel bad that the whole situation happened an
d told Scott that I was sorry about it. I completely understand Scott's frustration as I would feel the same way. I am now just looking forward to Las Vegas."
“It’s frustrating, but we had the pace. It wasn’t bad luck. It was a reflection of our intensity of development.” - Ron Dennis

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The fact is simply this...In Nascar, its pretty much the norm..Denny Hamlin who was behind Monty, said it was a racing deal....

I expect JPM to win some more races this year.... :)
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jgredline wrote:The fact is simply this...In Nascar, its pretty much the norm..Denny Hamlin who was behind Monty, said it was a racing deal....

I expect JPM to win some more races this year.... :)
Careful, jgredline, I said the same thing and Ciro wore the paint off his keyboard...

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Ciro Pabón
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Sorry, Ted. I was just reposting what I said at other forum, I wasn't answering any particular comment by you, just using it as a "starting point".

Let me tell this: how different are NASCAR forums... I only stayed there for a couple of days, before the bigots and racists made me feel I don't belong there.

My conclusion: poor JPM!

The guy made a big mistake going to race in USA, and you know I've defended the quality of racing there: however, the few people that believe they are the "mother of Superman" are incredibly annoying. No wonder USA has managed to p*ss off so many people around the world in the last years. My wife was right from the beginning: Juan is going to be eaten alive there, and only because of his origins. His mistakes, taken as errors in Europe, make a villain of him there.

They simply cannot stand a driver that goes there and show they barely can drive a car properly on a street course. They behave like wolfs on the ovals, I repeat what I said on my previous post.

I don't know, I feel totally overwhelmed... there is NO WAY I'm going to do any following of Juan career from now on, other that watching him on TV. You guys rule: the people of North America that come to this forum are totally different from the ones I've bumped with there.

I'm so disappointed I have not been myself even here: my posts are few and I don't feel like commenting races anymore. On NASCAR forums every comment on a race becomes a personal thing and some people spend a lot of time trying to make you feel like trash, just because you were not born in USA. Certainly, my keyboard letters are fading... and I believe I don't get depressed easily, but something has cracked on this keyboard. :cry:
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Ignis Fatuus
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Ted68 wrote:
jgredline wrote:The fact is simply this...In Nascar, its pretty much the norm..Denny Hamlin who was behind Monty, said it was a racing deal....

I expect JPM to win some more races this year.... :)
Careful, jgredline, I said the same thing and Ciro wore the paint off his keyboard...
Nothing is simple if Monty is involved. He outclassed the field in Mexico. I am not that good in NASCAR rules to really know, but the complaints of other drivers seem a bit nonsensical to me.
Everyone is bashing him because he spun his good helpful teammate. A teammate who blocked his faster teammate in a corner after leaving the door open, because he thought he should win.

I am getting as fed up with all this as Ciro is.
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Ciro Pabón wrote:His mistakes, taken as errors in Europe, make a villain of him there.
Ciro, his problems on track were as long as i can remember taken as his (stupid) mistakes here, including the Pizzonia crash in Spa 2005. When he was injured in 2005 everybody hurried to point their fingers on him. Did anyone else injure himself, they would say bad luck and feel sorry for him (Heidfeld comes to mind).

I was pretty fed up with it all on our forums many times.

Hatred? Yes. Racism? Yes. Why? I followed his career in F1 and still I don't know...
USA is not any better, but definitely not much worse.
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Ciro Pabón wrote:His mistakes, taken as errors in Europe, make a villain of him there.
Ciro, his problems on track were as long as i can remember taken as his (stupid) mistakes here, including the Pizzonia crash in Spa 2005. When he was injured in 2005 everybody hurried to point their fingers on him. Did anyone else injure himself, they would say bad luck and feel sorry for him (Heidfeld comes to mind).

I was pretty fed up with it all on our forums many times.

Hatred? Yes. Racism? Yes. Why? I followed his career in F1 and still I don't know...
USA is not any better, but definitely not much worse.

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Once I was told that as a (not too ugly) member of female half of our respectable nation I should not say Monty is good looking man. :lol: :lol: :lol: Well, I stil think he is. :wink:

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Well, thank you. I still think Juan behaves sometimes like an... well you know the word. And, yes, Igniis Fatuus, he has nice eyes. Double thanks to you, you made my day brighter: I haven't felt myself since I entered NASCAR forums. I'm astonished.

Anyway, this is an example of what I have to put with, after he won, on just one thread. It's not one long rant from a deranged individual (like mines! :wink:), they are taken, each one, from a different post. I didn't correct the errors or spelling:

"Bullcarp Whoyakidding there re already 15 million illegals in Colombia, What about all the kidnappers, guerrillas, drug dealers, cartels, murderers and all that s**t. "

"I would feel better if they had a team of drug sniffing dogs with JPM camp at all times,,"

"You could tell by his actions that he did that on purpose, and then to stand on the roof of the car, send this illegel back to open cart racing he has no place in Nascar."

"The fact is your friend trying to tie himself to America is some way is a crock. If he wants to be an American, move here legally, get a job and pay his bills and the taxes here. End of conversation!"

"Let me tell you about waiting for something, pitch black, huddled in a small hole in the ground waiting for a force 5 times the size of the one you are with to come screaming out of the rising sun or to crawl up to your position and slit your throat."

"I have nothing to learn from Europeans that I cant get from a book and Iam sure this will please many I have no desire to leave the great USA...does connie have a sister?"

"I don't get up in the morning and work my butt for the next 13 or 14 running my company to provide welfare and free lunches for illegal aliens. If you're one them, get the hell out of my country and stay out till you come back legal. but I will say, jaun has one hottie moma to go home to"

Sigh... :roll:
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Ciro, not at all pleasant for you, that's the kind of redneck-ism associated with NASCAR unfortunetly, most fans probably aren't anything like this but you seem to have stumbled on the forum that is.
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Ciro Pabón
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Well, Tom, that's at NASCAR.com... but don't sweat it: I have dropped several of my 300 miles-long posts on them... :lol: Colombians are not easily intimidated, the way Juan shows we behave. It's just tiring, that's all. To be fair, my "bricks" have also received these kind of answers (the traffic at that forum is awesome, if my opinions are a little controversial). Again, each paragraph comes from a different post:

"So keep up the good posts my fellow Columbian NASCAR Buddy! Hope JPM does well so, good luck to him!"

"Lets not forget the subject of this post. fans backing Montoya not bashing him. Well said, Ciro. As a new fan, Good F*cking job Montoya!!!!!!!!"

"Amen! Good post At least were in the same boat. Remember when Newman bumped Montoya into a flaming crash at Homestead."

"Again, not to rehash this but, I never bashed Montoya. Sorry, you took it that way but, as I said to Ciro, just because he has accomplished things in other forms of racing, don't mean his is a "GREAT NASCAR DRIVER", but I can agree with your position on him being a great driver, I did not know his history. Thanks, Ciro, you made me see things differently"

"Your right on Target, Ciro Pabon. Pruett seems to have cooled off today in the news."

"Ciro, I have lived in the United States all my life, don't let fools like Brian taint your view of Americans. They fear change and the future. Any race fan that has watched JPM would embrace him in their series, he can only elevate it. Juan is simply the beginnig of a massive change for the better. Thanks for sharing here, man."

"I think the reason I love NASCAR is for drivers like Juan Pablo, Jeff Gordon, Tony Stewart, etc. This is racing not Golf. Ofcourse drivers are going to get ticked but what matters at the end of the day is who was first to the Checkered Flag. Your right about one thing, Pabon, Columbians are some proud people."

"Welcome to the forum my man and thanks for the honest post ,like you say win or loose each is good in his own way"

"Frankly it's nice to see a driver say whatever he wants and not be persecuted for his opinion. BTW, well said, Pabon."

"Wow! What an amazing thread! Thanks, Ciro, you bring some elegance here... not as many people that can't link two paragraphs. Like I said before, I have raced many different divisions of stock cars, and would LOVE to wheel an F1 car, even just 1 lap! How cool! I love NASCAR, and i LOVE getting up early, making eggs benedict, and having my buddies over for "breakfast at Monaco"!! NUFF SAID!!"

Oh, and my favorite:

"Ciro, you're an interesting man... I didn't know Colombian people were so different from guys around here. can I have your private mail, pretty please? A kiss from North Carolina"

:D
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Ciro, that's some taste of the dark ages USA that I would like to forget that exists... :roll:

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Don't worry, dumrick, read my previous post... we posted simultaneously. Posting at NASCAR the way we post at this magnificent forum is like kicking an anthill, that's all.
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