2014 Australian Grand Prix - Melbourne

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If the car does not break, I think Alonso will be on the podium. Why would he not be? If he qualifies in the top 5 he is usually there.

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zeph wrote:If the car does not break, I think Alonso will be on the podium. Why would he not be? If he qualifies in the top 5 he is usually there.
Ferrari long run pace hasn't looked good in testing and practice.

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myurr wrote:Wrong. If you asked them if they'd like to switch places then I doubt Hamilton would agree and that Button would much rather be on pole.

You are right that when you have nothing to lose it allows you to gamble, but that's only a benefit if the gamble works. By definition a gamble has a high probability of not working. So whilst we all remember those stellar results where a gamble paid off massively there will be countless examples of gambles being taken that didn't work out or at best gave a neutral result.
No doubt Button would prefer to be on pole, but if you have noticed Buttons wet drives are usually stunningly "good" (or rather lucky) or stunningly bad... why? because of those gambles that he takes. 2010 Korea, 2011 GB, 2012 Malaysia and some others that escape me right now
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Powershift wrote:
myurr wrote:Wrong. If you asked them if they'd like to switch places then I doubt Hamilton would agree and that Button would much rather be on pole.

You are right that when you have nothing to lose it allows you to gamble, but that's only a benefit if the gamble works. By definition a gamble has a high probability of not working. So whilst we all remember those stellar results where a gamble paid off massively there will be countless examples of gambles being taken that didn't work out or at best gave a neutral result.
No doubt Button would prefer to be on pole, but if you have noticed Buttons wet drives are usually stunningly "good" (or rather lucky) or stunningly bad... why? because of those gambles that he takes. 2010 Korea, 2011 GB, 2012 Malaysia and some others that escape me right now
It's not really his wet drives, it's more when conditions are changing from dry to wet or the other way round. Haven't yet seen Jenson showing a brilliant performance in a completely wet race, or have you?

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ACJJ619 wrote:
zeph wrote:If the car does not break, I think Alonso will be on the podium. Why would he not be? If he qualifies in the top 5 he is usually there.
Ferrari long run pace hasn't looked good in testing and practice.
You may be right. But I'm still thinking that fuel consumption is somewhat of an unknown.

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rifrafs2kees wrote:Not vettel's fan but I wouldn't think less of his championships than I do already if ricci beats him or turns out to be a heck of a challenge. I think there's something about his style that fit the exhaust blown era. Let's give him time and see. He's not done by any measure
Of course it's only one qualifying session and any conclusion is far-fetched but one thing is plausible: maybe for the first time in his career Red Bull/Toro Rosso had 2 drivers in mind after Friday not only one. [applies to "then Webber sucks"]
It should have been easily Vettel's (behind Mercedes of course), he's been with a team forever and they barely know D.R. and his preferences especially after sub-par tests, plus changeable conditions/rain when SV is usually good (not rainmaster but very useful). Too much dissecting perhaps but I've seen worse here (Magnussen, Ferrari...).

Anyway:
- Ricciardo will lose 6 positions at the start: 3 himself + 3 engine,
- Williams has problems with tyres (based on nothing but you know, what happened to them?) plus they miss Maldonado in nailing qualifying department
- hopefully Lotus can finally manage race simulation :wink:
- Merc and then 5 teams battling for final podium position. The one with lowest fuel consumption will win, if Perez was up there I'd bet on him
- forecast is "afternoon shower or two" so probably mainly dry race.

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Helios wrote:It's not really his wet drives, it's more when conditions are changing from dry to wet or the other way round. Haven't yet seen Jenson showing a brilliant performance in a completely wet race, or have you?
I've never seen him drive brilliantly ever, wet dry or changing, he either lucks out or is lagging behind his teammate, he had some good drives in early 2009, but fell off badly at the end of the season. Even towards the end of last year I feel Sergio had the measure of him.

When conditions are changing he(or maybe his race engineer) just does the opposite of what the leaders do and either benefits or falls flat on his face. And with the raft of good young drivers coming into F1, his days are numbered. Of the 5 F1 champs on the grid he is by far the least competent.
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iotar__ wrote:- Williams ... miss Maldonado in nailing qualifying department
Bottas beat Maldonado 12:7 in 2013

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Damn, I was hoping for a fairly standard qualifying to get an idea of the true pecking order, bloody rain! Not really many conclusions can be drawn from that session, other than Mercedes are fast, and Lotus are slow.

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Diesel wrote:Damn, I was hoping for a fairly standard qualifying to get an idea of the true pecking order, bloody rain! Not really many conclusions can be drawn from that session, other than Mercedes are fast, and Lotus are slow.
Friday times showed a pretty good picture already. Merc >> RBR > Ferrari/Williams/McLaren > others.

Easy 1-2 for Merc tomorrow if the car does not break down. If RBR/Renault sort out Software issues Vettel will be able to drive into top 5. Ricciardo for podium, but he will have to work hard for it as his friday times were not that impressive.

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Helios wrote:It's not really his wet drives, it's more when conditions are changing from dry to wet or the other way round. Haven't yet seen Jenson showing a brilliant performance in a completely wet race, or have you?
Only where others have struggled to make the tyres last.

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Juzh wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hOrHUbjB9g[/youtube]
Uhm... engine mode power... - right... Made up excuse, look at his body language, usually when you're lying you look into upper left corner as if contemplating the answer, scientifically proven #-o .

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I'm sure you'd be saying the same thing if roles were reversed at RB. Simply because you're so objective thinking.

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It would be interesting to see a full list of lap times and tyre choice, with some many variables (tyre choice, tyre heat, "immature" engine maps with engined turned down for wet running & track position @ given correct time) I think it's impossible to correctly draw any conclusive conclusions from the results

That said congrats to Kobyashi, for me the standout driver who clearly punched above his weight, Magnussen & kyvat who have shown calm heads and a steady hands under immense pressure on their debuts and of course Riccardo for... Well beating Vettel I suppose :wink: