In other words, you're surprised some folks don't have opinions that more closely resemble your opinion?Aesto wrote:I don't see what the big deal is. F1 is awesome because of the racing, the technology, and the strategy, not because of the sound. I'm surprised people on F1Technical actually care about something as subjective, arbitrary and emotional as sound.
I've seen/heard the old V10s at an actual racetrack, and quite frankly, I don't even miss those.
If anything, I'm somewhat happier with the new V6 engines because they sound less annoying than the V8s.
If you really want to see the fastest, loudest most outrageous cars in the world you should pay a visit to your local drag strip.Vettel Maggot wrote:Perhaps all you lovers of quiet racing would enjoy Formula E?
I go to F1 races to escape reality. To see the best drivers driving the fastest, loudest most outrageous cars in the world. Not to conserve fuel or worry about my hearing or talking to the guy next to me or worrying for the environment. When F1 was in town you knew it. You heard it for miles. Now...?
This is the crux of it. The days of balls-out screamers are done, and they have been for a while. It's sad, but you can't turn back the clock. The top supercars being sold at the moment are hybrids...Ted68 wrote:Former forum member, and my friend, WRK, was at the race this weekend and had a blast. He said it was strange that the cars are so quiet now that even at 300 kph one doesn't need earplugs anymore. However, he said the racing was great.
As for the rest of the arguments against the new era V6's, these arguments sound just the same as the ones against the V8's at the end of the 3-litre V10 era. Now here we are lamenting the passing of the V8. Therefore I don't see much changing. The engineers will catch up. The drivers and strategists will get used to the new formula and do some great racing. The fans will enjoy it. Bernie will get out of jail at 96 (after purchasing and reorganizing the entire penitentiary system) and lead us to the next era of 1.2-litre, rotary-valve 4-cylinders.
You know I typed open wheelers, but I thought no, you'll get the point, but there is always some smart arse on here waiting to jump in at any opportunity.mrluke wrote:If you really want to see the fastest, loudest most outrageous cars in the world you should pay a visit to your local drag strip.Vettel Maggot wrote:Perhaps all you lovers of quiet racing would enjoy Formula E?
I go to F1 races to escape reality. To see the best drivers driving the fastest, loudest most outrageous cars in the world. Not to conserve fuel or worry about my hearing or talking to the guy next to me or worrying for the environment. When F1 was in town you knew it. You heard it for miles. Now...?
supercar going hybrid is because of emission regulation not because it appeal to their customers. ultimately where money is not an issue, they will still end up with hypercar that are running V12 or even w16.Sulman wrote:This is the crux of it. The days of balls-out screamers are done, and they have been for a while. It's sad, but you can't turn back the clock. The top supercars being sold at the moment are hybrids...Ted68 wrote:Former forum member, and my friend, WRK, was at the race this weekend and had a blast. He said it was strange that the cars are so quiet now that even at 300 kph one doesn't need earplugs anymore. However, he said the racing was great.
As for the rest of the arguments against the new era V6's, these arguments sound just the same as the ones against the V8's at the end of the 3-litre V10 era. Now here we are lamenting the passing of the V8. Therefore I don't see much changing. The engineers will catch up. The drivers and strategists will get used to the new formula and do some great racing. The fans will enjoy it. Bernie will get out of jail at 96 (after purchasing and reorganizing the entire penitentiary system) and lead us to the next era of 1.2-litre, rotary-valve 4-cylinders.
That being said, racing should always be a mix of passion and engineering, and we all like to get excited. It's hard to get around the fact that an efficient power unit is by definition going to be quieter.
Perhaps, but it starts to look redundant when the hybrids are the quicker car.CHT wrote:
supercar going hybrid is because of emission regulation not because it appeal to their customers. ultimately where money is not an issue, they will still end up with hypercar that are running V12 or even w16.
You will still harvest xhaust energy as the flow will be the same, only the boost reduced, so it should be more.langwadt wrote:Though it won't change that compared to last year they are now harvesting ~90KW of exhaust energy, That energy usedxpensive wrote:What they need to do is to revise the fuel-flow mapping, so that you need to reach 13 kRpm to get the full 27.8 g/s.
That should make the engines more peaky and alter the sound-image from the current drone, with the same top-power.
to be wasted as noise, that one hell of a stereo ...
The racing was ok. Not bad, not great. It was OK. People confuse the engines having anything to do with the abilities of the new rookies and cars having less downforce. Plus, all the good rookies are on good teams this yearSulman wrote: You missed Bottas carving his way forward twice? Ricciardo keeping his RB10 in second?
It's amazing to me what change does to perception. F1 is the same as it's ever been.
Not entirely true. It's a trademark of engines that have higher power to displacement ratios to sound louder and more beautiful. I think there's a confusion among us. There's power efficiency and there is consumption efficiency. Consumption efficiency means losing everything that isn't converted to moving the car (INCLUDING MORE POWER AND LOUDER SOUNDS) in the name of making the most of every droplet of fuel. That's why they rev less as well, they give up on power to be more efficient on fuelHolm86 wrote:This is true. Better efficiency = less noise. Though I suspect we will have more noise during qualifying in the future at least. When the engines get more reliable teams will start to go to the 15.000 rpm limit instead of just 11-12.000 rpm. And during qualifying the 100kg rule does not exist so teams can dump fuel into the exhaust to get higher turbo compounding values.
Big difference there. Street high performance hybrids are actually faster than the cars they replace and they don't have such a limited displacement or fuel consumption. This makes them sound great actually, not to mention it makes them even more outrageously expensiveSulman wrote:Perhaps, but it starts to look redundant when the hybrids are the quicker car.CHT wrote:
supercar going hybrid is because of emission regulation not because it appeal to their customers. ultimately where money is not an issue, they will still end up with hypercar that are running V12 or even w16.
like you wouldn't know. The hairs on the back of my neck used to stick up everytime the first car would start coming towards me in fp1. I loved it. I loved almost feeling the vibrations.Kinetics_Mike21 wrote:I bet the V8's created such a dominating presence, vibrating everything and anything if close enough.
the fastest production road car is a W16 engine with 4 turbos and 4 wheel drive. Hypercar is not just about speed, its about going fast loud and in style. If you want speed, then get an Atom.Sulman wrote:Perhaps, but it starts to look redundant when the hybrids are the quicker car.CHT wrote:
supercar going hybrid is because of emission regulation not because it appeal to their customers. ultimately where money is not an issue, they will still end up with hypercar that are running V12 or even w16.
