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Spankyham
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rjsa wrote:
Spankyham wrote:
rjsa wrote:If approached, would you give your room away?
In this circumstance, absolutely yes.
You are landing there, with your wife and kid, you would really do that?
Absolutely.
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I'm sorry to tell you, but you are fooling yourself.

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Spankyham wrote:
rjsa wrote:If approached, would you give your room away?
In this circumstance, absolutely yes.
You would give away your room in a foreign country where you don't speak the language? I hate that the families are grieving, but I can assure you they'll have a much easier time getting another room than dozens of Italians.
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Malaysians speak English, the language of F1. The Chinese families quite probably do not.

You guys are missing the point. The families were given other hotel rooms - the article says as much. And it was all probably done by the hotel without Ferrari ever knowing about it. And there were only about a dozen people, meaning they were probably in only 6 or 7 rooms. Ferrari could have been given the other rooms. It would have been inconvenient, but I think they might have survived. The hotel made a poor choice.

The point is that Bernie had an opportunity to make a statement that made F1 look like the good guys, offering to help in an unfortunate situation. Instead, he starts talking about previous arrangements and law suits, without saying anything of comfort to the families beyond the simplest platitude. In other words, he portrayed the sport exactly as its detractors do - as some cadre of detached, self-absorbed billionaires, traveling the globe in a pointless competition of excess, thinly disguised as sport, with little concern for the people they purport to entertain apart from how much money they can squeeze from their tax dollars.

So NBC runs a story about Ferrari thugs kicking families out on the street, when, with just a few considered words from Bernie, they could have been writing one about Ferrari and F1 going out of their way to help.

Not only that, but the story now provides a point of departure for stories questioning the appropriateness of even holding the race. Malaysia is crawling with reporters from around the globe right now, and they're desperate for something to write about. Surely they'll be writing about F1, no? Shouldn't those reporters be courted then? But the probable truth is that a lot of these guys are already a bit put out by F1 - after all, with all these booked hotel rooms, where are they staying? (Could the real story behind this be that more than a few of them have been kicked to the curb to make room for F1?)

Anyway, Bernie takes all this in and manages to make it worse, probably before he made it past the front desk.

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That whole story is just negative propaganda against Formula 1 or Ferrari. It is the responsibility of the hotel management to find a place to stay for the relatives. It is certainly not related to the F1 teams at all. They are simply a customer of that hotel. Don’t fall into these traps by the media that easily. What is actually really bad is that some guy wrote an article which uses the death of many persons to shed bad light on a selected F1 team.

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Spankyham wrote:
rjsa wrote:If approached, would you give your room away?
In this circumstance, absolutely yes.
You are landing there, with your wife and kid, you would really do that?[/quote]

Absolutely.[/quote]

without any doubt, same.

i would however in collaboration with the Hotel owner make sure arrangements are made on cost of the Hotel that
another place to stay can be arranged, perhaps in another hotel.

The above mentioned PR handling is brilliant, and would solve the situation. The hotel working together with the families and F1 personel/bernie to find a solution would paint a positive image for F1, of heartship and compassion and would be a respectable act for the Hotel, especially in this sensitive situation. Instead, it's done the opposite.

I'm shocked by the amount of coldness and lack of compassion i see around here regarding this fact. Michael Schumacher is laying in a coma and family should be respected and any news should be treated with respect, but the families and lives of 293 passengers aren't up for the same treatment? i'm baffled.
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+ really, this actual news post regarding F1 PR is now -2 rated and hidden? you downvote on this heartbreaking news article?
i'm sorry but there are some utter senseless heartless people around here. :wtf:
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Think about the way you presented this news in the first post!

You posted two links and quoted the text of the first link completely. From this text you could get the impression that the Ferrari F1 team arrived at the hotel and forced the relatives out of the hotel.

If you read the NBC article you would have found the sentence

"More than a dozen Chinese family members, who traveled to the Malaysian capital to get updates on the search for the Boeing 777, were transferred to another hotel in the city by the airline on Friday."
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Pup wrote:The point is that Bernie had an opportunity to make a statement that made F1 look like the good guys, offering to help in an unfortunate situation. Instead, he starts talking about previous arrangements and law suits, without saying anything of comfort to the families beyond the simplest platitude. In other words, he portrayed the sport exactly as its detractors do - as some cadre of detached, self-absorbed billionaires, traveling the globe in a pointless competition of excess, thinly disguised as sport, with little concern for the people they purport to entertain apart from how much money they can squeeze from their tax dollars.
That's because Bernie is exactly this - a detached, self-absorbed billionaire, with little concern for the people he purports to entertain apart from how much money he can squeeze from their tax dollars.

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Pierce89 wrote:
Spankyham wrote:
rjsa wrote:If approached, would you give your room away?
In this circumstance, absolutely yes.
You would give away your room in a foreign country where you don't speak the language?
Yes.
Pierce89 wrote:I hate that the families are grieving, but I can assure you they'll have a much easier time getting another room than dozens of Italians.
I doubt anything could make things "easy" for the grieving families at this point in time. TBH me going through the relatively simple task of finding another hotel room to give those families one less thing to be concerned about .... it would make me feel quite positive. If I didn't do that I think I'd feel rather uncomfortable in the hotel room.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with Ferrari because they probably had no idea any of this was going on.
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I am quite amazed that this piece of so-called news is being debated. It was the hotel's job to take care of not overbooking. As of Bernie, he didn't want to give the PR talk and said strictly what's on his mind.

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Blanchimont wrote:
"More than a dozen Chinese family members, who traveled to the Malaysian capital to get updates on the search for the Boeing 777, were transferred to another hotel in the city by the airline on Friday."
If they were given another accommodation by the airline officials, then I don't see why this is being blamed on f1 team personal ?

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mep wrote:That whole story is just negative propaganda against Formula 1 or Ferrari. It is the responsibility of the hotel management to find a place to stay for the relatives. It is certainly not related to the F1 teams at all. They are simply a customer of that hotel. Don’t fall into these traps by the media that easily. What is actually really bad is that some guy wrote an article which uses the death of many persons to shed bad light on a selected F1 team.
Include the half assed job the OP did when posting the "report" clearly with the agenda in mind to paint Ferrari and possibly F1 in a negative light.

New guests were coming with reservations. Old guests were moved to new place. Who the hell cares?

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alexx_88 wrote:I am quite amazed that this piece of so-called news is being debated. It was the hotel's job to take care of not overbooking. As of Bernie, he didn't want to give the PR talk and said strictly what's on his mind.
The problem isn't that Bernie is speaking his mind, the problem is that his mind is twisted.

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The original post is hidden because of downvotes etc. It is a non issue, so why don't the mods remove this inappropriate thread?