It would matter very little as the 2014 V6s hardly rev much above 12 kRpm anyway.bhallg2k wrote:The four-cylinder engines would have been limited to 12,000 RPM. Not that it matters, because it's the turbo that muffles the exhaust note.
Yeah, so much torque.xpensive wrote:It would matter very little as the 2014 V6s hardly rev much above 12 kRpm anyway.bhallg2k wrote:The four-cylinder engines would have been limited to 12,000 RPM. Not that it matters, because it's the turbo that muffles the exhaust note.
Not at 12 000 Rpm, see that's power, torque is what happens between 9 000 and 11 000. Hope I got this right now?bhallg2k wrote:Yeah, so much torque.xpensive wrote:It would matter very little as the 2014 V6s hardly rev much above 12 kRpm anyway.bhallg2k wrote:The four-cylinder engines would have been limited to 12,000 RPM. Not that it matters, because it's the turbo that muffles the exhaust note.
Less corporate interest? Come on you want to reverse world's development direction with less noise and less fan friendly engines, who's going to pay your favourite drivers and engineers lost of money then?Sebp wrote:F1 for me is a sport and not so much a product. The current development could have very positive results for this, my favourite sport.
Here is how it may shape out:
Less engine noise => disgruntled (mainly neanderthal) fans => less attention => less corporate interest => less sponsorship money => smaller budgets => better, more clever engineering and management of money => revival of the garagistes
There will always be those who continue racing at the highest possible level. Whatever that may be at the time.
Btw I think the whole of this discussion somehow distracts from the fact that there's still this stupid double points business dangling over our heads.
The board will consist of at least 16 people. Alongside Ecclestone, there will be two others who are involved with the daily running of F1. They are the sport's 44 year-old Chief Financial Officer (CFO) Duncan Llowarch, who was appointed in 2002, and its 43 year-old Chief Legal Officer (CLO) Sacha Woodward-Hill who was appointed in 2000. They each own stakes of around 1% in Delta Topco.
There will also be five independent non-executive directors including F1's chairman Peter Brabeck-Letmathe. He is the chairman of Nestle and will get a 0.2% stake in F1 to add to the 0.3% he already owned. The other non-execs include Jean-Marc Huet, chief financial officer of Unilever, Martin Sorrell who is boss of advertising company WPP, and two Singaporeans. They are Liew Mun Leong, chief executive of real estate company CapitaLand, and Kwa Chong Seng, independent deputy chairman of wealth fund Temasek. [...] The final members of the F1 board are connected to CVC [...]
"It's shite," he said. "That's my opinion and I think for the fans as well. I think Formula One has to be spectacular and the sound is one of the most important things.
"When I was a small child, I don't remember much, but I remember when I was six years old and we went to see the cars live during free practice, the one thing I remember was the sound. How loud they were, to feel the cars through the ground and the whole ground was vibrating. It's a shame you don't have that."
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Well of course he has – he's RedBull's mouth piece, and it's in their interests to make sure that the old formula comes back.Vettel Maggot wrote:Vettel the 'neanderthal' has come out and said that he thinks the new engines sound 'shite.'
"It's shite," he said. "That's my opinion and I think for the fans as well. I think Formula One has to be spectacular and the sound is one of the most important things.
"When I was a small child, I don't remember much, but I remember when I was six years old and we went to see the cars live during free practice, the one thing I remember was the sound. How loud they were, to feel the cars through the ground and the whole ground was vibrating. It's a shame you don't have that."
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Not sure why I got a warning for this post from flyboy but what I was pointing out was its silly to call people who do not share the same view as others 'Neanderthals'Vettel Maggot wrote:Vettel the 'neanderthal' has come out and said that he thinks the new engines sound 'shite.'
"It's shite," he said. "That's my opinion and I think for the fans as well. I think Formula One has to be spectacular and the sound is one of the most important things.
"When I was a small child, I don't remember much, but I remember when I was six years old and we went to see the cars live during free practice, the one thing I remember was the sound. How loud they were, to feel the cars through the ground and the whole ground was vibrating. It's a shame you don't have that."
Read more at http://en.espnf1.com/redbull/motorsport ... vxY0Wzh.99
Vettel Maggot wrote:Not sure why I got a warning for this post from flyboy but what I was pointing out was its silly to call people who do not share the same view as others 'Neanderthals' as Sebp did.Vettel Maggot wrote:Vettel the 'neanderthal' has come out and said that he thinks the new engines sound 'shite.'
"It's shite," he said. "That's my opinion and I think for the fans as well. I think Formula One has to be spectacular and the sound is one of the most important things.
"When I was a small child, I don't remember much, but I remember when I was six years old and we went to see the cars live during free practice, the one thing I remember was the sound. How loud they were, to feel the cars through the ground and the whole ground was vibrating. It's a shame you don't have that."
Read more at http://en.espnf1.com/redbull/motorsport ... vxY0Wzh.99
Vettel has his opinion and good luck to him as do others. No need for name calling.
It wasn't clear to me that you were quoting somebody else calling Vettel a Neanderthal and saying it was silly; If that was your intention, no problemo; I agree.Vettel Maggot wrote:Not sure why I got a warning for this post from flyboy but what I was pointing out was its silly to call people who do not share the same view as others 'Neanderthals'Vettel Maggot wrote:Vettel the 'neanderthal' has come out and said that he thinks the new engines sound 'shite.'
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Vettel has his opinion and good luck to him as do others. No need for name calling.
That's a thought, I wouldn't be surprised to see it shortlived, F1 is a commercial show and without appeal to the audience,beelsebob wrote: ...
Well of course he has – he's RedBull's mouth piece, and it's in their interests to make sure that the old formula comes back.
Ferrari boss plans FIA talks amid worries over Formula 1 spectacle
Luca di Montezemolo and Bernie Ecclestone plan to meet with Jean Todt during the Bahrain Grand Prix to discuss potential changes that could improve the spectacle of Formula 1.
AUTOSPORT has learned that Ferrari boss di Montezemolo is unimpressed with the new fuel-efficiency regulations in the sport, and flew to a meeting with Ecclestone in London on Wednesday to kick-start urgent discussions about what can be done to make things better.
Sources with knowledge of the situation suggest that both men are in agreement that the first two races of the season have not produced the kind of dramatic racing that some had believed would come with the new 1.6-litre turbo engines.
