I think Pat Fry is the lucky goose.heidenreich27 wrote:They should fire pat fry with him. Then im happy
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I think Pat Fry is the lucky goose.heidenreich27 wrote:They should fire pat fry with him. Then im happy
I have to say, Failure does seem to follow Pat Fry around a lot. I can completely see where you're coming from.heidenreich27 wrote:They should fire pat fry with him. Then im happy
The thing is, Ferrari needed a scapegoat to sacrifice in light of the bad results. Domenicali fitted the profile: a publicly known person, so that firing him sends out a clear message, and actually very much replacable. There's always another person to step in the shoes of team principle. The position of team principle, other then being a figure head, is actually very irrelevant to the teams performance. This is confirmed by appointing the car sales chief for the position, a person previously not in any way affiliated with the racing department. Domenicali really couldn't do much wrong, as he had very little to say. Unfortunaly end responsibility as handed at him.beelsebob wrote:I have to say, Failure does seem to follow Pat Fry around a lot. I can completely see where you're coming from.heidenreich27 wrote:They should fire pat fry with him. Then im happy
Scapegoat or not, call it what you want, that is his role. He is the leader of Ferrari F1 and results are what they are so he needed to leave (and I happen to think he should have long ago).turbof1 wrote:The thing is, Ferrari needed a scapegoat to sacrifice in light of the bad results. Domenicali fitted the profile: a publicly known person, so that firing him sends out a clear message, and actually very much replacable. There's always another person to step in the shoes of team principle. The position of team principle, other then being a figure head, is actually very irrelevant to the teams performance. This is confirmed by appointing the car sales chief for the position, a person previously not in any way affiliated with the racing department. Domenicali really couldn't do much wrong, as he had very little to say. Unfortunaly end responsibility as handed at him.beelsebob wrote:I have to say, Failure does seem to follow Pat Fry around a lot. I can completely see where you're coming from.heidenreich27 wrote:They should fire pat fry with him. Then im happy
Pat Fry is more difficult to fire. He's involved in the car in a technical way. That's actually a much more important spot then team principle.
But the fact is that he really isn't a leader. Luca di Montezemolo is the person in charge. The ones in charge of race strategy are the race engineers.I disagree strongly and entirely on the irrelevance of the TP. It is the most important role, the key to success of any team: you need a true leader to lead and have people perform at their best at all levels. SD had no skill whatsoever and has made his role irrelevant, it was his on doing, his own failure and he brought Ferrari F1 where it is today.
I do not think so.turbof1 wrote:But the fact is that he really isn't a leader. Luca di Montezemolo is the person in charge. The ones in charge of race strategy are the race engineers.I disagree strongly and entirely on the irrelevance of the TP. It is the most important role, the key to success of any team: you need a true leader to lead and have people perform at their best at all levels. SD had no skill whatsoever and has made his role irrelevant, it was his on doing, his own failure and he brought Ferrari F1 where it is today.
At other teams this can of course be very different. The management hierarchy structure changes from team to team, but ferrari the position of team principle is nothing more then a spokesman.
Again, I feel this is backed by temporarily appointing a person who completely doesn't have any experience in the racing side of ferrari!
Of course it starts at the top. I just don't believe the role of TP at ferrari infact is part of that. Else you wouldn't place a salesman, even if temporarily, without any experience in racing into that position.windwaves wrote:I do not think so.turbof1 wrote:But the fact is that he really isn't a leader. Luca di Montezemolo is the person in charge. The ones in charge of race strategy are the race engineers.I disagree strongly and entirely on the irrelevance of the TP. It is the most important role, the key to success of any team: you need a true leader to lead and have people perform at their best at all levels. SD had no skill whatsoever and has made his role irrelevant, it was his on doing, his own failure and he brought Ferrari F1 where it is today.
At other teams this can of course be very different. The management hierarchy structure changes from team to team, but ferrari the position of team principle is nothing more then a spokesman.
Again, I feel this is backed by temporarily appointing a person who completely doesn't have any experience in the racing side of ferrari!
LdM is chairman of Ferrari. SD is in charge of Ferrari F1. Big difference. Sure, I would be an hypocrite if I did not feel that LdM also is at fault for not having forced SD out earlier, much earlier.
Nonetheless Ferrari F1 needs a true leader who can ensure that those engineers and the whole team really perform at their best, as individuals and as a team. It is the human factor at the end that makes the difference. And it starts at the top, with the TP. At least, so I am convinced.