Scuderia Ferrari 2014

[diffuser]

just worries of kimi performance as he is still not up his game, hope new engineer help him asap, i wish to see him challenging alanso

That doesn't really matter. Ifthey can't get the car to drop a second in the Gap to Merc.

[munudeges]

just worries of kimi performance as he is still not up his game, hope new engineer help him asap, i wish to see him challenging alanso

This was always going to take time and anyone being Alonso's team mate was going to have to bite their tongue and get on with it, but if anyone knows how Raikkonen drives it's pretty obvious what he's trying to do. Getting it right is another matter.

[munudeges]

I do notice that the media hates Kimi though. They might be just spreading rumors, hoping they come true.

Par for the course. Raikkonen doesn't talk to the media as much so media and journalists try and fill in the blanks. David Coulthard tried to do that in an article and it was clear that despite having been his team mate for several years he had no idea about the guy, or maybe Coulthard thought he was going to inherent the mantle after Hakkinen and got the hump about what he came up against.

Anyway, if Raikkonen and Ferrari can dial the tyre compliance out of that car, which Raikkonen doesn't need, then that's the only way of getting that car further up the grid than seventh, eighth or ninth with an occasional fifth or sixth with some luck. Alonso's going as fast as he can, and it's very fast, but there is nothing left to find.

[Ganxxta]

Lets be honest, its not the fault of the drivers, the car is simply bad (again), thats why they sometimes overdrive it, like Kimi in Montreal.

It is simply embarrassing to be only 9th with your best car (pure speed, Lewis, Massas & Perez mishaps ignored).
So if they want to win,they need 8 faster cars to DNF

Not to speak of Rosberg, who managed to get second without ERS power and limited rear breaks, if they can't even challenge such wounded car, its looking really bad performance wise.

I just hope that at least they know internally how and why they are going backwards, so that someone hopefully can fix it. [-o<

[lkm9719]

just save time and money for 2015, as it is hard to keep up with this problemed f14t, test new part with this car and put the show for 2015.

Lets be honest, its not the fault of the drivers, the car is simply bad (again), thats why they sometimes overdrive it, like Kimi in Montreal.

It is simply embarrassing to be only 9th with your best car (pure speed, Lewis, Massas & Perez mishaps ignored).
So if they want to win,they need 8 faster cars to DNF

Not to speak of Rosberg, who managed to get second without ERS power and limited rear breaks, if they can't even challenge such wounded car, its looking really bad performance wise.

I just hope that at least they know internally how and why they are going backwards, so that someone hopefully can fix it. [-o<

[f1316]

Honestly believe that if ferrari had run the full update package, they would have been contesting with rbs and hence had a shot at the win.

Yes, of course you don't want to over heat, but isn't their current position the right one in which to take risks? What did they have to lose? Answer is a 6th that would have been 8th without the final crash. Is that really why they're racing? I'd honestly rather have seen them show some pace - enjoyed that promise as a fan - and have it come to nothing than this playing it safe.

And yes, it does seem as if the update at the rear really was a big benefit. Alonso reported more rear downforce and, by removing much of the blockage that's been in that zone ever since the acer ducts (coincidentally exactly the period in which rear adhesion has been an issue) it seems like a very logical step.

Plus side is that hopefully there's more to come in austria.

[SpainFAN]

I mean, I like Ferrari and all, but honestly, where did you get the insight to make such a claim?

Honestly believe that if ferrari had run the full update package, they would have been contesting with tbs and hence had a shot at the win.

I still see the Ferrari struggling on the acceleration out the slow corners, albeit they have improved drivability of the car... still laking major performance on the top end sped... I think that RBR has brought a very competitive package and will continue to improve and keep Ferrari at bay unless they move in a different direction.

[f1316]

I mean, I like Ferrari and all, but honestly, where did you get the insight to make such a claim?

Honestly believe that if ferrari had run the full update package, they would have been contesting with tbs and hence had a shot at the win.

I still see the Ferrari struggling on the acceleration out the slow corners, albeit they have improved drivability of the car... still laking major performance on the top end sped... I think that RBR has brought a very competitive package and will continue to improve and keep Ferrari at bay unless they move in a different direction.

Because ferrari were three tenths down on vettel's third place in quali. Granted, three tenths is a reasonably large step from an upgrade, but since alonso said it improved rear downforce - which would aid traction, improve balance, make tyres work better- I think it's quite possible.

If alonso had started third, I'm confident he would have maintained it. I'm not, of course, saying he would have beaten the mercs, but could well have been in place to take advantage if their problems.

[SpainFAN]

If and when? Well, what I was saying was, there still was a gap on the Ferrari's with the RBR, I know the PR from Ferrari, but why develop a car then take out those improvements when they are down so badly in the constructor's championship. I don't buy it, if they could have improved and gotten closer to the RBR, they would have used that package or a pice of gum and some bondo to get podium le alone a win. If those improvements where so great, why not take a risk and get more point? What else was there that could have impeded them from getting closer to the podium? Maybe they would have been in the same 5-7th range and it would have been much more difficult to manage that from a PR perspective... who knows...

[diffuser]

I mean, I like Ferrari and all, but honestly, where did you get the insight to make such a claim?

Honestly believe that if ferrari had run the full update package, they would have been contesting with tbs and hence had a shot at the win.

I still see the Ferrari struggling on the acceleration out the slow corners, albeit they have improved drivability of the car... still laking major performance on the top end sped... I think that RBR has brought a very competitive package and will continue to improve and keep Ferrari at bay unless they move in a different direction.

If you're really being honest . It's hard to tell (for us) how good the full update package was. There wasn't alot of coverage (that I saw) of Ferrari during the early practice sessions. I do agree with you that in Quali and the Race they struggled to get away from the slow corners.

I find the regulations on the PU very strange. In an effort to keep costs down they've frozen the PU for the 2014 season. In reality this forces teams to make changes to the PU for reliability to parts they might redesigned for next year. I think a better approach would have been to allow some changes. I'm not sure how many changes or how you limit it. Maybe allow 1 complete evolution to each section of the PU. If a section of the PU is on the wrong trajectory of evolution and you've learned that you need to redesign it, you're really stuck in it till 2015. I think that after they've had these engines for a few years then this type of lock down makes sense but early on this is strange.

[SpainFAN]

I am... not only that but I agree fully on the PU rules... even then, how could it be that RBR has gained so much in comparison to where they are now and Ferrari just keeps on struggling... another year in the dark is tough on the teams/sponsors/fans.
I would love to see a race where you just did not know who was going to take victory... where the 4th and 5th line on the grid could have a chance and the pole was not just a mere possibility of the dominant team. I hate it when one team dominates, first it was Shumi/Ferrari, then RBR/Vettel Now it's Merc/??? but either way, I like racing not just the one team I follow in F1.

I miss the on-race overtaking...

For now we have to contend in a wait a see, if Merc has a DNF who will take it...

[diffuser]

I am... not only that but I agree fully on the PU rules... even then, how could it be that RBR has gained so much in comparison to where they are now and Ferrari just keeps on struggling... another year in the dark is tough on the teams/sponsors/fans.
I would love to see a race where you just did not know who was going to take victory... where the 4th and 5th line on the grid could have a chance and the pole was not just a mere possibility of the dominant team. I hate it when one team dominates, first it was Shumi/Ferrari, then RBR/Vettel Now it's Merc/??? but either way, I like racing not just the one team I follow in F1.

I miss the on-race overtaking...

For now we have to contend in a wait a see, if Merc has a DNF who will take it...

Don't get me wrong ....I agree with the cost control. I'm just wondering if is not adding to the cost rather than curtailing them. Plus what good is it if 2/3 of the teams give up after a quarter of the season...realizing they can never catch up?

With the F14T, it is really hard to tell how much of their problem is down to lack of Power. I mean I had been seeing on some of the onboards that in 8th gear the F14T was hitting 320KPH at 11k RPM. If you have more power it will get you to 320 faster (well if you get the power to the ground) but at 11K RPM the gas Engine power is dropping off. I believe they've already used their 1 gear change and I believe they made the gear ratio higher (lower top speed) to compensate for lack of PU power.

Kimi says there is a Huge drive-ability problem. If the limit changes from lap to lap, it really hard to get to the car's limit or fine tune the balance. So if they can fix that drive-ability problem (I realize that's a big IF) there could be HUGE gains it lap time.


As far as RBR catching up ..Excluding wet Qualies and monaco, the closest driver was .6 down in quali in Bahrain on a lap that took 1:34, Spain we had RBR being .8 behind on a 1:25, Montreal they were .6 down on a lap that took 1:14. You could argue...they've fallen farther behind in absolute pace.... It looks like they're holding steady.

What's gonna be interesting is what's gonna happen with the PUs over the rest of the season. I mean they mentioned on BBC/SKY on Sunday (not sure which feed we get here in MTL) that the parts that failed on Rosberg & Hamilton's cars on Sunday, that Hamilton has 1 left and Rosberg 2. After that they start taking Grid penalties.


If someone has a website with who's got what parts left, that would be interesting to look at.

[hollus]

...I believe they've already used their 1 gear change and I believe they made the gear ratio higher (lower top speed) to compensate for lack of PU power...

Any source for that?

[Bob Brown]

Allison won't be at Austria GP because he is back at home base working 100% on the 2015 car........ let the rampant speculations begin!

[Pierce89]

...I believe they've already used their 1 gear change and I believe they made the gear ratio higher (lower top speed) to compensate for lack of PU power...

Any source for that?

No and nobody is gonna find a source for that, because it didn't happen. If Ferrari's simulation couldn't even get the gearing right, then they probably wouldn't even make the grid, much less build the 3rd quickest chassis.