On the night from Friday to Saturday, burglars have stolen a large number of F1 trophies from Red Bull Racing. The break in caused significant damage as offenders drove a vehicle through the building's front entrance.
Sasha wrote:There might not be no future for RB!!!!
EU and America are looking to band energy drink media like cigarettes!!!!
Sure. Prevent people from feeling great - but give them guns 
Absolutely, their engine in the last 5 yrs has pulled off some extreme blowing which others cannot even do coz that would need changes to their engine ....and all the cold vs hot blowing shenanigansbeelsebob wrote:There were a lot of rumours circulating that the construction of the renault engine with butterfly valves meant that their engine was much more amenable to constructing bizarre engine maps than either the Mercedes or Ferrari one.CHT wrote:I thought exhaust blow diffuser is something to do with exhaust layout, aero design and engine mapping rather than the physical engine construction? Which mean the horsepower still remain constant
not really, it was just pure luck that the Renaults were using cold blowing already to cool themselves (hence low cooling requirements and subsequent tight RBR packaging) - a famous politician in Aus says "they got hit in the ar$e by a rainbow" and they made the most of it.siskue2005 wrote:
i think it is bit of hypocritical from Newey... what goes around comes around
It was the other way around. Renault used hot blowing which was indeed superior, merc and ferrari used cold blowing (ferrari used the least, hence they were least affected in british GP and won the race by a large margin).djos wrote: ps, it turned out that hot blowing was even better to generate downforce boosting gasses and Renault never used this, only Merc and possibly Ferrari.
Adrian Newey 2011 wrote:We, or rather Renault engines, had been operating in 2009 with a strategy of running throttles 50 per cent open – cold-blowing – on over-run for reasons of throttle response. As this was also for non-downforce generating reasons, we believed we should be allowed to continue doing it, for the same reason Mercedes were allowed to continue hot-blowing.
There are two types of blowing of a diffuser - hot and cold.
Cold-blowing is what was pioneered by Renault and Red Bull in 2010 - the throttles are left open but fuel is not introduced, so only air goes through the exhaust.
Hot-blowing - which generates much more energy and therefore downforce - is when fuel is introduced and burnt but the ignition is retarded to stop the engine pushing the car on while the driver is slowing it down.
We're getting off topic. Newey seems to have some idea of the engines Red Bull use.The Mercedes teams, by contrast, have been "constrained" in terms of the hot-blowing they were doing, according to Whitmarsh. How this all affects Ferrari - who are also believed to have been hot-blowing - is unclear.
Nope, see Cam's post above.Juzh wrote:It was the other way around. Renault used hot blowing which was indeed superior, merc and ferrari used cold blowing (ferrari used the least, hence they were least affected in british GP and won the race by a large margin).djos wrote: ps, it turned out that hot blowing was even better to generate downforce boosting gasses and Renault never used this, only Merc and possibly Ferrari.
Really off topic now.But according to Auto Motor und Sport the real secret lies in the choice of engine characteristics. In qualifying Renault's customers use the most aggressive mapping for the engine and the exhaust. The reports say the 2.4 litre Renault was designed specifically to produce an aerodynamic effect off-throttle, while others have struggled to adapt. "We lost several engines testing this," confirms Mercedes Norbert Haug.
In the race Red Bull drivers have to settle for moderate settings so that the engine and the exhaust aren't over worked. In the most extreme engine mode the combustion takes place with an open exhaust valve. The complete combustion pressure is directed into the exhaust, which would create overheating and reliability issues if tried over a race distance. In addition, the fuel consumption would increase with this setting by up to ten percent. The Red Bull would then have 15 kilos more fuel at the start, which would eat up the aerodynamic advantage gain.
If Newey chooses to leave when Mercedes are dominating, and he goes on the basis of the reasons you gave...then that is not the competitive mastermind I assumed him to be.Cam wrote:So all the championships he's won, all the drivers he's helped put on the mantle, all the silverware collected, all the champagne tasted, all the controversies, the deaths, the highs, the lows, the sacrifices he's made for F1 at the cost of his family, the long hours, long weeks, long years... and yes, the constant bites at the ankles from some....yep, bet that had nothing to do with it.
We should be glad Newey knows when to leave - let some new blood in - while being around to help when required. God knows some others in F1 simply don't take the hint.
This is nothing new, this article is from 2004:Sasha wrote:Energy drink ban warning to teams,the story is telling the racing teams to be ready for the energy drink money being taking away by Gov't like tobacco money was.
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