Scuderia Ferrari 2014

[lkm9719]

For me I have a hunch that the root of Ferrari's issues the past several years lie in it's front suspension geometry. For example, compare the front geometry of the F14T to the Mercedes and you can see that the mounting points at the chassis are MUCH higher on the Ferrari and thus the arms are more angled downward. The Mercedes are more close to being level. Same with the RB10. The FW36 has slightly more than the Mercedes and RB.
http://www.f1technical.net/forum/index.php
Just a thought.

There has been speculation on this before. I don't know enough to comment either way just that Ferrari has said that isn't their problem and that they tend to do better on front limited tracks. That being said... Omnicorse wrote that the 2015 Ferrari challenger is being designed totally by James Allison, will be called 666, has a push-rod front end and will be a total break from this years car. The 5th paragraph http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/38814/ ... -motoristi

i think that is the main problem as most team with front push rod was good traction and handling well , which past years i think ferrari had been affected on this pull rod issue that aero reading misleading, hope Alison can do magic for next year as i think it is last year for Kimi , and i hope he can challenge on WDC before he retire from F1

[diffuser]

For me I have a hunch that the root of Ferrari's issues the past several years lie in it's front suspension geometry. For example, compare the front geometry of the F14T to the Mercedes and you can see that the mounting points at the chassis are MUCH higher on the Ferrari and thus the arms are more angled downward. The Mercedes are more close to being level. Same with the RB10. The FW36 has slightly more than the Mercedes and RB.
http://www.f1technical.net/forum/index.php
Just a thought.

There has been speculation on this before. I don't know enough to comment either way just that Ferrari has said that isn't their problem and that they tend to do better on front limited tracks. That being said... Omnicorse wrote that the 2015 Ferrari challenger is being designed totally by James Allison, will be called 666, has a push-rod front end and will be a total break from this years car. The 5th paragraph http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/38814/ ... -motoristi

i think that is the main problem as most team with front push rod was good traction and handling well , which past years i think ferrari had been affected on this pull rod issue that aero reading misleading, hope Alison can do magic for next year as i think it is last year for Kimi , and i hope he can challenge on WDC before he retire from F1

The effect of the front suspension on rear traction is minimal. There are more cars with traction problems & pushrod front than there are those without. Williams is a team with pushrod and traction problems. They tend to use up their rear tires very fast.

[Bob Brown]

The whole push rod-pull rod debate as the be all end all solution/problem for the car is simply wishful thinking and rubbish. The car has bigger problems than a front-suspension alteration.

I think the biggest problem is the way their power unit is performing. Seems like most of it is because it provides the power unequally and unpredictably as to destabilize the rear of the car. You cannot bring aero parts to fix something that happens sometimes but not others. It is like trying to buy clothes for a child who grows every second.

[Pierce89]

For me I have a hunch that the root of Ferrari's issues the past several years lie in it's front suspension geometry. For example, compare the front geometry of the F14T to the Mercedes and you can see that the mounting points at the chassis are MUCH higher on the Ferrari and thus the arms are more angled downward. The Mercedes are more close to being level. Same with the RB10. The FW36 has slightly more than the Mercedes and RB.
http://www.f1technical.net/forum/index.php
Just a thought.

There has been speculation on this before. I don't know enough to comment either way just that Ferrari has said that isn't their problem and that they tend to do better on front limited tracks. That being said... Omnicorse wrote that the 2015 Ferrari challenger is being designed totally by James Allison, will be called 666, has a push-rod front end and will be a total break from this years car. The 5th paragraph http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/38814/ ... -motoristi

i think that is the main problem as most team with front push rod was good traction and handling well , which past years i think ferrari had been affected on this pull rod issue that aero reading misleading, hope Alison can do magic for next year as i think it is last year for Kimi , and i hope he can challenge on WDC before he retire from F1

I don't think Kim i will ever shine next to Alonso, at least not on a regular basis.

[Bob Brown]

I don't think Kim i will ever shine next to Alonso, at least not on a regular basis.

I will disagree. I say he at least gets to grip with the car late in the season and will be better suited to next year's car by Allison.

[Cam]

I don't think Kim i will ever shine next to Alonso, at least not on a regular basis.

I will disagree. I say he at least gets to grip with the car late in the season and will be better suited to next year's car by Allison.

That's an interesting point. When Kimi initially went to Lotus he struggled - all those steering wheel issues etc - that took a while to get to his liking. Once they got it sorted, Kimi performed really well. Allison will know this, he'll know what Kimi wants and needs and is more likely to ensure it's closer to that next year. I hadn't thought of that aspect before. While I doubt he'll favour one driver over the other, he would certainly have that knowledge in his head when approaching the car.

[AlexJ]

That's an interesting point. When Kimi initially went to Lotus he struggled - all those steering wheel issues etc - that took a while to get to his liking. Once they got it sorted, Kimi performed really well. Allison will know this, he'll know what Kimi wants and needs and is more likely to ensure it's closer to that next year. I hadn't thought of that aspect before. While I doubt he'll favour one driver over the other, he would certainly have that knowledge in his head when approaching the car.

Alonso can drive anything and adapt his style to it, this is what makes him so good. So why not tailor the car to Kimi?

[f1316]

I sometimes wonder if Alonso's adaptability impairs his ability to guide development of a car. I wonder if he's as clear about what he wants from the car.

I have no idea if this true though, of course, but it seems conceivable.

[f1universe]

I sometimes wonder if Alonso's adaptability impairs his ability to guide development of a car. I wonder if he's as clear about what he wants from the car.

I have no idea if this true though, of course, but it seems conceivable.

Allison said that both drivers give the same feedback about the car, even if Alonso can adapt very quick, I'm pretty sure that he has preferences like other drivers but the fact is that he is probably not nitpicky about it, he get what he gets and he deals with it.

Take for example this year car, even with god as your car developer, the car will be not very good.

[diffuser]

I sometimes wonder if Alonso's adaptability impairs his ability to guide development of a car. I wonder if he's as clear about what he wants from the car.

I have no idea if this true though, of course, but it seems conceivable.

Allison said that both drivers give the same feedback about the car, even if Alonso can adapt very quick, I'm pretty sure that he has preferences like other drivers but the fact is that he is probably not nitpicky about it, he get what he gets and he deals with it.

Take for example this year car, even with god as your car developer, the car will be not very good.

They both say "it's slow!"

[Cam]

I sometimes wonder if Alonso's adaptability impairs his ability to guide development of a car. I wonder if he's as clear about what he wants from the car.

I have no idea if this true though, of course, but it seems conceivable.

That's a good thought. A suggestion that a bad car can in some ways can be limited in improvement as a result of the driver adapting himself rather than the opposite. Not sure how true it is, I'd like to see more discussion on it though.

[lkm9719]

Allison look tired over the preview of Austrian GP, he must be preasure on the F14T and 2015 car .......

[Kiril Varbanov]

Alonso - I want trophies not respect - http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/27967589

[mcalex]

I just watched onboard videos from Melbourne 2013 - Kimi in Lotus smooth, precise very little snap oversteer
Fernardo 2013 - car much more nervous.
Kimi 2014 Melbourne - it looks as he is driving an HRT

No wonder he cannot get a grip with this car and why Fernando is faster - he is used to this kind of "twichiness"

[Pierred]

F14T poor/no mechanical grip, good downforce, medium engine

KR Uses the weight transfers on entry and exit of the curve in order to turn very late and accelerate very soon. He turns the wheel as soon as he gets the Weight transfered and so the car responds immediately. On fast corners he needs DF on slow corners he needs mechanical grip.

FA Throws the car in the curve, and accelerates very soon. He turns the wheel very soon and waits for the car to go in the curve, so the front tyre slides and get wharmer. Doing so he needs an understeering car. On fast corners he needs DF, on slow corners he needs, I think, a reactive car at the wheel turn so maybe hard springs on the front.

They tried to give more front to KR with a specific Aero setup but for me it can not work in slow corners. If to much front, he looses the rearant it is the reason why KR is struggling at the exit of the curves.
FA seems to accomodate these characteristics of the F14T, but IMO it is not the good characteristics to be in the front.

For these reasons I think that KR will have a better pace in silverstone, and spa, but a slow pace at the hungaroring.