Imminent F1 shakeup?

[Cam]

I disagree autogyro. Every fashion has a trend and trends have cycles. A hark to the past could be a welcome change. We're seeing growth in sports that are far more violent and graphic than any car race, for instance Full Contact Jousting (yes, knights on horses with big sticks) and Ultimate Fighting, to name two. The public's desire to see 'blood and guts' remains as strong as ever. So the 'safety' banner flies under the weight of a minority.

I personally thing they can run V12 gas guzzlers while still 'being green' - you just approach it from a different angle. But they don't even need too. F1 isn't about changing the world - it's about racing - pure sporting glory. Just as F1 says "we don't get involved in political issues" (re: Bahrain, Russia etc), well, doesn't the same apply here? It's this continued opposing messages from F1 that has all of questioning what it is. The fact even us hardcore long term fans can't agree, surely speaks volumes.

[Vettel Maggot]

+1 For Gitanes, this man speaks the truth.

autogyro, all of my friends that I watch races with HATE these new engines. My wife watched a race with me (well 3 laps) and asked me why the cars were so quiet now. Since when does F1 have to be the flagship for saving the environment? Its more of a marketing exercise for teams pretending they are 'green' (God I hate that word.) Being more realistic, F1 is purely ENTERTAINMENT and a BUSINESS to make the rich people at the top even richer.

I usually attend the Melbourne F1 and (Singapore too sometimes) and this year was the first time I have missed Melbourne and I will not bother with Singapore. I am not going to give F1 my money for this current nonsense. Artificial sparks? Come on now, what is happening?

[autogyro]

+1 For Gitanes, this man speaks the truth.

autogyro, all of my friends that I watch races with HATE these new engines. My wife watched a race with me (well 3 laps) and asked me why the cars were so quiet now. Since when does F1 have to be the flagship for saving the environment? Its more of a marketing exercise for teams pretending they are 'green' (God I hate that word.) Being more realistic, F1 is purely ENTERTAINMENT and a BUSINESS to make the rich people at the top even richer.

I usually attend the Melbourne F1 and (Singapore too sometimes) and this year was the first time I have missed Melbourne and I will not bother with Singapore. I am not going to give F1 my money for this current nonsense. Artificial sparks? Come on now, what is happening?

The vast majority of the viewing public watch F1 on TV where the noise makes absolutely NO difference.
Try again.

[Cam]

autogyro - play this video. Does it make a difference?
[youtube]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jS4Dh_EAfJI[/youtube]

[WaikeCU]

autogyro - play this video. Does it make a difference?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jS4Dh_EAfJI

Ok, I understand that this noise is different, but F1 hasn't always been high pitched though. What about the 70's and 80's turbo era? I don't think high pitched V10 - V12 engine sounds are necessary, but I prefer it. The problem is that it just doesn't produce enough decibels.

I am not expecting anyone to hang a poster of Toyota Prius in their bedroom because its fuel efficient and green either

Now this is a bit extreme. Unless you are vegan and a ecologic guru, then you probably would.

But then I wouldn't have any problems hanging a poster of one of the current LMP1 cars in my bedroom. I remember watching this year's Le Mans 24h and everytime one of the Audi's, Porsche or Toyota LMP1's were in picture I thought "Wow, now that's an exciting car and piece of engineering even though they barely make any sound!"

[autogyro]

autogyro - play this video. Does it make a difference?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jS4Dh_EAfJI

Second one you could hear the commentator.
First one showed historic racing with loads of energy lost in decibels.
Over half of those in the paddock during FI's history suffer from serious hearing problems.
Is Bernie and Zomo going to pay them compensation?

[FW17]

Formula 1 to switch to standing restarts after safety cars in 2015
By Jonathan Noble Friday, June 20th 2014, 07:07 GMT

Formula 1 is set for standing starts from the grid following safety cars in 2015, AUTOSPORT can reveal.

Following discussions between teams about ways to improve the show, one idea that has gained momentum in recent weeks is to overhaul the way that races resume after caution periods.

There is a consensus that the current rolling restarts with the leader dictating the pace do not provide enough excitement.

Sources have revealed that during this week's F1 Commission meeting at Biggin Hill, a proposal to scrap the current format for 2015 and change it to grid starts after safety cars was approved.

The idea is that from next year, once lapped cars have been allowed to unlap themselves, cars will form up on the grid once a safety car period has ended.

There will then be the same procedure of a standing start as happens at the beginning of races.

The hope is that there will be more chance of positions changing, with the spectacle of a standing start producing more drama than rolling starts do.

The rule change still needs to be ratified at the FIA World Motor Sport Council meeting in Munich next week, but this will be a formality now that the F1 Commission has backed it.

I hope this a joke! Why should they have a safety car then? Just red flag the race.

[autogyro]

I disagree autogyro. Every fashion has a trend and trends have cycles. A hark to the past could be a welcome change. We're seeing growth in sports that are far more violent and graphic than any car race, for instance Full Contact Jousting (yes, knights on horses with big sticks) and Ultimate Fighting, to name two. The public's desire to see 'blood and guts' remains as strong as ever. So the 'safety' banner flies under the weight of a minority.

I personally thing they can run V12 gas guzzlers while still 'being green' - you just approach it from a different angle. But they don't even need too. F1 isn't about changing the world - it's about racing - pure sporting glory. Just as F1 says "we don't get involved in political issues" (re: Bahrain, Russia etc), well, doesn't the same apply here? It's this continued opposing messages from F1 that has all of questioning what it is. The fact even us hardcore long term fans can't agree, surely speaks volumes.

The Isle of Mann TT meets your needs for a dangerous extreme sport.
No reason why there should not be a four wheeled version.
However this is for a minority of specialised spectators of motor sport.
The majority watch TV and are mostly weedy liberal motivated PC sheeple today.
F1 can never return to the old days it has changed into a media exercise and has to be tightly controlled to satisfy those who invest in it.
You cant sell fizzy drink on the back of dead bodies, or next years family motor cube.

[autogyro]

Formula 1 to switch to standing restarts after safety cars in 2015
By Jonathan Noble Friday, June 20th 2014, 07:07 GMT

Formula 1 is set for standing starts from the grid following safety cars in 2015, AUTOSPORT can reveal.

Following discussions between teams about ways to improve the show, one idea that has gained momentum in recent weeks is to overhaul the way that races resume after caution periods.

There is a consensus that the current rolling restarts with the leader dictating the pace do not provide enough excitement.

Sources have revealed that during this week's F1 Commission meeting at Biggin Hill, a proposal to scrap the current format for 2015 and change it to grid starts after safety cars was approved.

The idea is that from next year, once lapped cars have been allowed to unlap themselves, cars will form up on the grid once a safety car period has ended.

There will then be the same procedure of a standing start as happens at the beginning of races.

The hope is that there will be more chance of positions changing, with the spectacle of a standing start producing more drama than rolling starts do.

The rule change still needs to be ratified at the FIA World Motor Sport Council meeting in Munich next week, but this will be a formality now that the F1 Commission has backed it.

I hope this a joke! Why should they have a safety car then? Just red flag the race.

Childish idea that will cause accidents without the cause being anything to do with driver skill. Pathetic.

[Moxie]

The sparks, the noise...all window dressing. Just as I have said that I would like the engineering rules opened up, and gave a couple of silly examples. If the teams engineering decisions resulted in cars that are dead silent...again I say so be it. It would certainly change the experience, but the unusual results of extreme engineering fascinates me. F1 is a game of engineers...just let them do their thing.

[Sawtooth-spike]

Formula 1 to switch to standing restarts after safety cars in 2015
By Jonathan Noble Friday, June 20th 2014, 07:07 GMT

Formula 1 is set for standing starts from the grid following safety cars in 2015, AUTOSPORT can reveal.

Following discussions between teams about ways to improve the show, one idea that has gained momentum in recent weeks is to overhaul the way that races resume after caution periods.

There is a consensus that the current rolling restarts with the leader dictating the pace do not provide enough excitement.

Sources have revealed that during this week's F1 Commission meeting at Biggin Hill, a proposal to scrap the current format for 2015 and change it to grid starts after safety cars was approved.

The idea is that from next year, once lapped cars have been allowed to unlap themselves, cars will form up on the grid once a safety car period has ended.

There will then be the same procedure of a standing start as happens at the beginning of races.

The hope is that there will be more chance of positions changing, with the spectacle of a standing start producing more drama than rolling starts do.

The rule change still needs to be ratified at the FIA World Motor Sport Council meeting in Munich next week, but this will be a formality now that the F1 Commission has backed it.

I hope this a joke! Why should they have a safety car then? Just red flag the race.

Childish idea that will cause accidents without the cause being anything to do with driver skill. Pathetic.

I Really do worry about People who come up with ideas like this.

So we will end up with loads of Clutch blows up next year!

I do wonder if the FIA have ever met an F1 Fan. So far i can see no evidence they have .

[FW17]

I Really do worry about People who come up with ideas like this.

So we will end up with loads of Clutch blows up next year!

I do wonder if the FIA have ever met an F1 Fan. So far i can see no evidence they have .

I don't expect any of these guys to be in touch with anyone other than the paddock club visitors.

Anyway there is no point in blaming the fia, they are just convener's of these meeting. Blame the FOM and Ferrari for all this mess.

[FW17]

I Really do worry about People who come up with ideas like this.

So we will end up with loads of Clutch blows up next year!

I do wonder if the FIA have ever met an F1 Fan. So far i can see no evidence they have .

I don't expect any of these guys to be in touch with anyone other than the paddock club visitors.

Anyway there is no point in blaming the fia, they are just convener's of these meeting. Blame the FOM and Ferrari for all this mess.

[xpensive]

Nothing beats the trumpet!



Needs some tuning though;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lcDPOL35xc

[outer_bongolia]

The sparks, the noise...all window dressing. Just as I have said that I would like the engineering rules opened up, and gave a couple of silly examples. If the teams engineering decisions resulted in cars that are dead silent...again I say so be it. It would certainly change the experience, but the unusual results of extreme engineering fascinates me. F1 is a game of engineers...just let them do their thing.

Can't agree more.

Of course, everyone will be up in arms about cost savings. Well here's a solution to that: If you want to do cost savings, only allow the bottom teams to bring unlimited updates and allow 2 or 3 updates per year for everyone else. So, no one will be spending hundreds of thousands changing the winglets or vortex generators for every race.

I don't like them limiting all innovation. If you want to go green, give them 80 liters per race and tell them to "make it work". Don't limit the number of cylinders or the innovation. I never understood why the teams had to use the exact same energy recovery methods.

Ok I'm done with my rant.