Imminent F1 shakeup?

[GitanesBlondes]

The vast majority of the viewing public watch F1 on TV where the noise makes absolutely NO difference.
Try again.

Not even close to being true gyro.

The noise makes a huge difference. I have a lot of friends who are more casual fans, but the first comment they made during the race at Melbourne was, "Why do the engines sound like ---? It's like when my wife has the vacuum cleaner on in the house."

Obviously you're never going to get a 1:1 with how the engines sound at the track, but if you do a comparison to the 2.2L V6 turbo IndyCar engines, they actually sound better than the F1 engines do currently, and I'm not a huge fan of them either.

People want top tier race cars to kind of sound like....you know, race cars.

[GitanesBlondes]

autogyro - play this video. Does it make a difference?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jS4Dh_EAfJI

Second one you could hear the commentator.
First one showed historic racing with loads of energy lost in decibels.
Over half of those in the paddock during FI's history suffer from serious hearing problems.
Is Bernie and Zomo going to pay them compensation?

Those people who suffer from hearing problems suffer because they opted to not wear ear plugs when they should have been. I believe it was the recently departed Jack Brabham who used to purposely not wear ear plugs so he could listen for anything that might be wrong with the engine. Certainly a hell of an ability to have, but all hearing loss he suffered was solely his fault since he made a conscious choice to not wear ear protection when other drivers were. It's called personal responsibility.

[FW17]

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These gives a better idea of the actual V6 as they are not made by Bernie

I have a question to all guys who have watched f1 on TV during the NA era; at the circuit the when the car up shifts or down there is a back fire from the car which sounds like a gun shot, have you ever heard it on TV? The sounds on TV are never what they are in reality so before you pass judgement on the V6 go to a circuit near by and enjoy it.

[autogyro]

autogyro - play this video. Does it make a difference?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jS4Dh_EAfJI

Second one you could hear the commentator.
First one showed historic racing with loads of energy lost in decibels.
Over half of those in the paddock during FI's history suffer from serious hearing problems.
Is Bernie and Zomo going to pay them compensation?

Those people who suffer from hearing problems suffer because they opted to not wear ear plugs when they should have been. I believe it was the recently departed Jack Brabham who used to purposely not wear ear plugs so he could listen for anything that might be wrong with the engine. Certainly a hell of an ability to have, but all hearing loss he suffered was solely his fault since he made a conscious choice to not wear ear protection when other drivers were. It's called personal responsibility.

No its called you have badly contradicted yourself.
You promote noise and yet you blame people for hearing problems because they did not wear ear plugs?
Do yo actually know what you want?

[Agenda_Is_Incorrect]

Second one you could hear the commentator.
First one showed historic racing with loads of energy lost in decibels.
Over half of those in the paddock during FI's history suffer from serious hearing problems.
Is Bernie and Zomo going to pay them compensation?

Why should be every kind of racing not considered historic then? Isn't the world ending? Aren't we all going to die or starve or anything? Races are wasteful, we should be living in a war period fascist government who forbids races, travels, controls the amount of fuel you can use and all the sh*t greenies and "informed, progressive" people think is paradise.

The problem with the world nowadays is that people with that schizophrenic mentality have taken over the world. Ok, it was not all good and beautiful before, but it seems people even more f*cked up in the head took control. Compensation? Too much noise? Are we going to put labor causes into the richest sport in the world, with people who do the job because they love it?

Are we going to ask for compensation for high performance athletes, who at the end of their career suffer from serious problems in their bodies?

At the same time, what is being done to make F1 a true sport? What is ACTUALLY being done to solve the crisis in Europe or in the Middle East? (Saying bs in the internet or in international organizations doesn't count).

You are the kind of guy to restrict the average fellow trying to make a living and support the criminal. You support the FIA destroying a sport to please two manufacturers needing to sound green (lets not forget one of them makes heavy atrocities that are basically gas guzzlers) and bad mouth the true fans just wanting to be able to watch a race that is enjoyable. You are the kind to block the streets protesting for "human rights" to people putting the lives of several other people in danger, while your government ARRESTS NORMAL PEOPLE LIKE CRIMINALS FOR THE MERE ACT OF DRIVING WITHOUT INSURANCE.

People then wonder why things are from bad to worse. F1 is the perfect example, it's going into a crazy path. You think engine noises are outdated? How about ARTIFICIAL SPARKLING? Do you get the hang of what the support of absolutely counter sense policies do now?

Besides, get some touch with the reality. Last topic on the TT race you were prasing it, now you are dismissing it as violent. You say people don't care about the sound, yet there is not a SINGLE audience rating supporting that. They are falling DRAMATICALLY.

Are you arguing with that or there is some kind of crazy conspiracy we don't know about?

No its called you have badly contradicted yourself.
You promote noise and yet you blame people for hearing problems because they did not wear ear plugs?
Do yo actually know what you want?

People at airports get compensated for hearing loss if they don't wear protection equipment? If you can prove they are, lets say you have an actual point here

[xpensive]

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No its called you have badly contradicted yourself.
You promote noise and yet you blame people for hearing problems because they did not wear ear plugs?
Do yo actually know what you want?

What, there's no contradiction, when I was at Montreal in 93 I wore ear protection, but only when close to the track,
and even then I now and again loosened the right side to get that shearing V12 scream through my bones when a Ferrari passed, a smooth Renault V10, or when I wanted to listen to Ayrton's traction control going pah-pah-pah.

When drinking beer off the track and chatting with whomever, we all wanted the noise as background anyway.

I can't imagine what these vacuum-cleaners would have done to ruin it all.

[GitanesBlondes]

No its called you have badly contradicted yourself.
You promote noise and yet you blame people for hearing problems because they did not wear ear plugs?
Do yo actually know what you want?

lol nice effort at mental gymnastics. I give you an A for effort there.

Have you ever been to a music concert? The sound there is outrageous. It's part of the experience. You think people wanted to go to a, oh I don't know, Led Zeppelin concert circa 1973 only to have music played at the level you hear it in a supermarket or department store? lol yeah let's listen to a rousing rendition of Black Dog played at 20 decibels. I have a friend who still talks about the time he want to see an Eddie Van Halen concert in 1984, and after hearing the Eruption solo, his ears were ringing for three days after...which is also a sign of hearing loss. 30 years later he still treasures that experience. You're hysterical gyro, I give you that.

No one is forcing anyone to go to an event whether it be a concert or racing event that is extremely loud. If you go, you know it is loud, and that's also part of the overall visceral experience that real fans want. As such, any spectator, or participant should take the appropriate steps to ensure the experience does not do them physical harm.

[mrluke]

To be fair, the old v8s were loud enough to cause hearing damage even while wearing ear plugs.

[Moxie]

Formula 1 to switch to standing restarts after safety cars in 2015
By Jonathan Noble Friday, June 20th 2014, 07:07 GMT

Formula 1 is set for standing starts from the grid following safety cars in 2015, AUTOSPORT can reveal.

Following discussions between teams about ways to improve the show, one idea that has gained momentum in recent weeks is to overhaul the way that races resume after caution periods.

There is a consensus that the current rolling restarts with the leader dictating the pace do not provide enough excitement.

Sources have revealed that during this week's F1 Commission meeting at Biggin Hill, a proposal to scrap the current format for 2015 and change it to grid starts after safety cars was approved.

The idea is that from next year, once lapped cars have been allowed to unlap themselves, cars will form up on the grid once a safety car period has ended.

There will then be the same procedure of a standing start as happens at the beginning of races.

The hope is that there will be more chance of positions changing, with the spectacle of a standing start producing more drama than rolling starts do.

The rule change still needs to be ratified at the FIA World Motor Sport Council meeting in Munich next week, but this will be a formality now that the F1 Commission has backed it.

I hope this a joke! Why should they have a safety car then? Just red flag the race.

Wow that is really stupid!!! So the plan is that whenever there is a safety car they will stop the race, then force the cars to restart the race in the single configuration most likely to produce another safety car event.

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Hmmm could be interesting though. 22 top fuel dragsters on the starting grid in a knock out (literally) competition to see who can make it to the first corner unscathed.

[Cam]

With feeder series being a pathway for drivers into F1, it begs the question why they don't also trial regulations as well? They could trial some of these radical ideas in GP2, F3 etc. and see how it goes - even if it was just one round. The fans would get a taste for it and we all get a chance to give feedback before it becomes law in the main game.

[Greg Locock]

Just gently wondering if anyone has actually measured the SPL (sound pressure level) of the new cars compared with the old ones, so that instead of interminable opinions we actually have a concrete basis for discussion.

Oh well, let the hot air continue...

[Sombrero]

The best thing : they should race in reverse gear...

[mertol]

Just gently wondering if anyone has actually measured the SPL (sound pressure level) of the new cars compared with the old ones, so that instead of interminable opinions we actually have a concrete basis for discussion.

Oh well, let the hot air continue...

It's not obvious to you that they are quieter? Have you ever heard tire noise in F1 before? And it's not only the loudness, the quality of the sound is terrible too. Like when they moved from V10 to V8 the quality of the sound dropped a bit, now it dropped a lot lot.

[autogyro]

.... Having had my own bands and recording studio I know a little about music sound quality over quantity.
I have also raced various vehicles from dragsters to single seaters so I also know that area very well.
I am also an official consultant for the FIA.
The loud noise of past F1 is now history get used to it.

[outer_bongolia]

I could not agree more. Le Mans cars are hybrids, F1 cars are hybrids. Pretty soon we'll have a lot more recovered energy being used in all kinds of motor sports. If you don't like it, get a car with a fake v8 sound piped in from the sound system. This is the now that we live in.