Imminent F1 shakeup?

[Cam]

I am also an official consultant for the FIA.
The loud noise of past F1 is now history get used to it.

No offense autogyro, but the fact the fans are up in arms to the point the sport trialled trumpets on the cars, with a second trials scheduled at Silverstone, appears that we won't get used to it. As a consultant to the FIA, this being your position (get used to it), things became a lot clearer now.

[Greg Locock]

From a practical point of view, turbos tend to be quieter than NA cars, in fact the silencing system for a production turbo car in the 80s was little more than a low pass attenuator.

[GitanesBlondes]

... Having had my own bands and recording studio I know a little about music sound quality over quantity.
I have also raced various vehicles from dragsters to single seaters so I also know that area very well.
I am also an official consultant for the FIA.
The loud noise of past F1 is now history get used to it.

... I actually don't believe a word of that, but hey, the funnier thing is that you didn't even bother to actually address any of my points, the larger of which is that people want the noise that comes by way of concerts and racing. Even if your claims are true, I couldn't care less since they do not actually bring anything to the original discussion. If you have a point to be made, by all means do elucidate on it.

[xpensive]

To deny the importance of the sound xperience in motorsport is simply not serious, just watch Top Gear which tells you all.

[autogyro]

I crossed the Sahara desert with Ginger Baker, Eric Claptons drummer in Cream. Ginger's hearing was seriously damaged by the sounds on stage mainly from Jack Bruce's bass amps. Having had my own bands and recording studio I know a little about music sound quality over quantity.
I have also raced various vehicles from dragsters to single seaters so I also know that area very well.
I am also an official consultant for the FIA.
The loud noise of past F1 is now history get used to it.

I could not agree more. Le Mans cars are hybrids, F1 cars are hybrids. Pretty soon we'll have a lot more recovered energy being used in all kinds of motor sports. If you don't like it, get a car with a fake v8 sound piped in from the sound system. This is the now that we live in.

By the way, Ginger Baker is my hero. I'd love to hear more offline about that.

My pleasure PM me.

[donskar]

I'm with X on this one. I prefer sound and fury to quiet and passivity.

[Agenda_Is_Incorrect]

... Having had my own bands and recording studio I know a little about music sound quality over quantity.
I have also raced various vehicles from dragsters to single seaters so I also know that area very well.
I am also an official consultant for the FIA.
The loud noise of past F1 is now history get used to it.

I have bolded the single part I believe in. Would explain a lot about forcing policies no fan wants to see and then complaining about audience dropping. Schizophrenic all over again

I'm the world president BTW

This is the now that we live in.

Million dollar question. Why do we have to live in it? Races and the real world are well, worlds apart

[Cam]

I am also an official consultant for the FIA.
The loud noise of past F1 is now history get used to it.

That you, stating in an official capacity, would make such a contemptuous statement has left me baffled. So much so, I've had to take time to completely mull over what you've said. My reply is as considered as it is appealing for an answer.

autogyro, with all due respect, is it at all possible that you, fellow FIA consultants and the FIA themselves, have lost touch with the common fan?

Politicians do it all the time - educated, experienced persons make decisions for the people's 'best interest' yet, in this example, few politicians have ever had to ride a bus to work or had to pay for child care while on a minimum wage. If they did, it was long ago and forgotten.

Now while it's clear you have lots of experience in motorsport, as a driver, in teams, sporting financials etc. when was the last time you sat on a grassy hill with some mates and a cold brew to watch the cars go by? When was the last time you had to save for months to afford an entry ticket, travel costs and accommodation costs - to witness the sport you love?

get used to it

Can you at least see how us fans would consider this a spit in the face?

Me thinks the sport doth not require a shakeup - that needs to happen higher up.

[Vettel Maggot]

There it is, if all the FIA bananas have an attitude like that, what hope is there?

[autogyro]

I have not said that I agree with the way the FIA regulates F1, I do not.
Regulations in F1 are not my responsibility.
When I said 'get used to it' I was trying to make the issue clear.
There is no way back to the older power trains and the associated noise.
The noise is a direct result of wasted energy and wasted fossil fuel.
This fact is now obvious to everyone.
Those who pay for F1 cannot afford to return to regulations that fly in the face of public opinion.
I too am a motor head and love the noise from the cars of old.
I was also part of motor sport when it was a semi lethal activity with high risk and little financial reward for the competitors.
Because of this and the number of friends I lost who drove in those times, I will not accept any insults from the modern weedy motor mouths who promote things like Top Gear from their comfortable armchairs.
I agree that most dedicated followers of F1 are opposed to the current formula and it will take a long time for the change to be accepted but accepted it will have to be if F1 is to survive.
Trumpets and sparks are the result of silly people fiddling whether FIA teams or whomever.
The problem is the modern addiction to virtual reality brought on by excessive use of electronic devices.
Reality is rarely accepted today and everything is made available to the geeks to fiddle with.
Lets face it F1 cars are only one step away from arcade games now all you need to do is take out the drivers.
Someone mentioned Max Mosley, if he had been listened to when he suggested reductions in down force and sensible budget cuts F1 would not be in the serious position it is today.

[xpensive]

Right, it's plain to see why the FIA selected you as their consultant, the post above reminds me of the F1 technical regulations.

[mrluke]

The problem is that all of F1 needs to come to 2014, the cars are fine, the broadcasting is not. The tv robs the cars of their speed and makes them sound quieter than a typical family hatchback.

The fans are priced out of spectating because bernie's prices are too high meaning the tracks cannot afford to invest in themselves to improve their offering leading to a continual downward spiral.

No fan content is allowed to be hosted on line, feck all official content is provided. You get the impression f1 thinks the internet is an inconvenience, bernie even said social media is a fad. This is not the way to run a modern business. I mean what is the sense in deleting fan made content? How can attacking your biggest fans be a good thing?

[GitanesBlondes]

I have not said that I agree with the way the FIA regulates F1, I do not.
Regulations in F1 are not my responsibility.
When I said 'get used to it' I was trying to make the issue clear.
There is no way back to the older power trains and the associated noise.
The noise is a direct result of wasted energy and wasted fossil fuel.
This fact is now obvious to everyone.
Those who pay for F1 cannot afford to return to regulations that fly in the face of public opinion.
I too am a motor head and love the noise from the cars of old.
I was also part of motor sport when it was a semi lethal activity with high risk and little financial reward for the competitors.
Because of this and the number of friends I lost who drove in those times, I will not accept any insults from the modern weedy motor mouths who promote things like Top Gear from their comfortable armchairs.
I agree that most dedicated followers of F1 are opposed to the current formula and it will take a long time for the change to be accepted but accepted it will have to be if F1 is to survive.
Trumpets and sparks are the result of silly people fiddling whether FIA teams or whomever.
The problem is the modern addiction to virtual reality brought on by excessive use of electronic devices.
Reality is rarely accepted today and everything is made available to the geeks to fiddle with.
Lets face it F1 cars are only one step away from arcade games now all you need to do is take out the drivers.
Someone mentioned Max Mosley, if he had been listened to when he suggested reductions in down force and sensible budget cuts F1 would not be in the serious position it is today.

LOL

Like I said gyro, you're hysterical.

Public opinion, meaning the people who actually view F1 on a regular basis, don't much care for the regulations.

The engines are an absolute sham when one considers this...

4 MJ of battery discharge per lap should be compared to gasoline, which holds 38 MJ per liter.

There's your savings, about 0.25 liter per lap if you consider the higher efficiency in the MGU-K.

Xpensive liters that, but how much the MGU-H is sending direct to the MGU-K is unknown.

those 0.25 liter should of course be seen in relation to the less than 2 liter used per lap

There you go, 10% energy savings, 10 liter per race, earth-shattering indeed.

The amount of fuel they are saving is minimal. Great 10 liters, who cares?

Your last bit saying that people should have listened to Max Mosley...LOL.

What we have today is mostly of his doing. His idea of capping budgets was absurd as he was viewing things through a prism into 1970 when teams were still very small. Max gave us awesome things like grooved tires. What a guy!

[jz11]

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Those who pay for F1 cannot afford to return to regulations that fly in the face of public opinion.
...

you mean that "public opinion" that is shaped by those same advertisers?

this is not a sport any more, and hasn't been for a long time, it simply has come to a place where, for the FOM to make more money - gain new audiences, they must kill some remaining motorsport factors in this circus spectacle, it is that simple, that is what we must live with - democracy in sports, greed is killing this used-to-be-motorsport for the genuine motorsport fan

[flyboy2160]

I have to disagree that the current path is all due to greed. It plays a part in some of the stupid decisions (races in 3rd world places where the fans couldn't care less, but which pay lots of money), but I'll argue that other philosophical and cultural principles have a much larger role:

-guilt over doing something just for it's enjoyment and having both the liberty and money to do it. the F1 rulers - both the car guys and the FIA bureaucrats - sound like they feel they need to be doing something altruistic to save the world instead of just racing for the enjoyment of racing. They have neither the intellectual ammunition nor the courage to stand up and say "We do this because it's great fun!"

-(similar to the above point) bought into the Big Green Lie.

If it were just greed - without any other guiding principles - I don't think you'd have all the current "efficiency" regulations and claims of "road relevance."