Hamilton Vs Rosberg 2014

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Artur Craft wrote:
n smikle wrote:Not for strange happenings, like DNF in Australia, Yellows in Monaco Q3 and DNF in Cananda, Hamilton would have 175 points to his name and Rosberg would have 126 points. But What if's don't win championships so I am just hoping for a reliable #44 Mercedes with no more Rosberg Shenanigans.
a little less "fanboyism", please :wink:
I thought we were beginning to get through to people – don't say that, all it does is stir things up. Accusing people of being fanboys is not an argument.
Rosberg was faster in Q3 and the yellow flag was no guarantee of Lewis being able to beat Nico's first pole time, as Canada showed when Nico's first lap was already faster than anything Lewis did, including his second lap. Also, Lewis' S1 from his second attempt at Monaco's Q3 was almost a tenth slower than that of Nico's pole
You're right, it's not a guarantee, but it did look good - almost a tenth slower than Nico's pole would have been enough, given that Lewis' middle sector was 2 tenths up on Nico reliably.
It's also ridiculously fanboyistic to claim Hamilton would've won Australia and Canada. In Melbourne, Rosberg passed him on the start so Lewis would need to take that back(very difficult as the track doesn't allow easy overtaking). In Canada, Rosberg was carrying on at P1 until the team screwed his second pitstop.
Lewis was passed on the start line in Australia exactly because he was running on only 5 cylinders. In Canada, Lewis had already been crawling all over the back of Nico, and would have taken the place in the pit stops even without Nico's stop being "screwed" by 1 second.
All in all, on a dry track, Rosberg has been usually on par or faster than Lewis.
I disagree - so does the 4-1 victory count on a dry track in even conditions.

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beelsebob wrote:
Rosberg was faster in Q3 and the yellow flag was no guarantee of Lewis being able to beat Nico's first pole time, as Canada showed when Nico's first lap was already faster than anything Lewis did, including his second lap. Also, Lewis' S1 from his second attempt at Monaco's Q3 was almost a tenth slower than that of Nico's pole
You're right, it's not a guarantee, but it did look good - almost a tenth slower than Nico's pole would have been enough, given that Lewis' middle sector was 2 tenths up on Nico reliably.
Do Hamilton fans have to exagerate everything he does?

35.140 to 35.241, it doesn't take long to look for this...

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Sevach wrote:
beelsebob wrote:
Rosberg was faster in Q3 and the yellow flag was no guarantee of Lewis being able to beat Nico's first pole time, as Canada showed when Nico's first lap was already faster than anything Lewis did, including his second lap. Also, Lewis' S1 from his second attempt at Monaco's Q3 was almost a tenth slower than that of Nico's pole
You're right, it's not a guarantee, but it did look good - almost a tenth slower than Nico's pole would have been enough, given that Lewis' middle sector was 2 tenths up on Nico reliably.
Do Hamilton fans have to exagerate everything he does?

35.140 to 35.241, it doesn't take long to look for this...
He didn't say it WAS up, he was alluding to the fact that lewis had been around 2 tenths faster across the entire weekend. It doesn't matter now anyway.
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Sevach wrote:
beelsebob wrote:
Rosberg was faster in Q3 and the yellow flag was no guarantee of Lewis being able to beat Nico's first pole time, as Canada showed when Nico's first lap was already faster than anything Lewis did, including his second lap. Also, Lewis' S1 from his second attempt at Monaco's Q3 was almost a tenth slower than that of Nico's pole
You're right, it's not a guarantee, but it did look good - almost a tenth slower than Nico's pole would have been enough, given that Lewis' middle sector was 2 tenths up on Nico reliably.
Do Hamilton fans have to exagerate everything he does?

35.140 to 35.241, it doesn't take long to look for this...
Yes, they do.
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beelsebob wrote: You're right, it's not a guarantee, but it did look good - almost a tenth slower than Nico's pole would have been enough, given that Lewis' middle sector was 2 tenths up on Nico reliably.
it was not 2 tenths, only 1 of Lewis advantage in S2(saw it on F1 app). But Rosberg was also usually faster in S3 (S1 and 3 usually had Nico faster, while S2 had Lewis)

It's entirely speculative what would have happened without the yellow flag
In Canada, Lewis had already been crawling all over the back of Nico, and would have taken the place in the pit stops even without Nico's stop being "screwed" by 1 second.
All in all, on a dry track, Rosberg has been usually on par or faster than Lewis.
I disagree - so does the 4-1 victory count on a dry track in even conditions.
No, Lewis would have not passed without the 1,6s longer pitstop of Rosberg. I mean, not that time. Whether he would have overtaken him later, that's another matter.

Only in Sepang and Canada that Lewis had better race pace. In Bahrain(where Nico had a bad start) and Barcelona, Lewis was slower in the race but won for leading the race after T1 as would likely be the case with Rosberg in Canada(assuming they wouldn't suffer the MGU-H problem or whatever it was)

I feel sorry for Lewis' DNFs and think, overall, he's better than Nico(especially on wet track, green track, changeable conditions, outdriving a bad setup car) but a lot of his fans(I'm not saying you) surely loves to exagerate things in order to worship him(as happens with other popular drivers)

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SiLo wrote: He didn't say it WAS up, he was alluding to the fact that lewis had been around 2 tenths faster across the entire weekend. It doesn't matter now anyway.
And that was an incorrect info.

Plus how fast you were in Q2 and FP means nothing, it's just wishful thinking.

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Artur Craft wrote:No, Lewis would have not passed without the 1,6s longer pitstop of Rosberg. I mean, not that time. Whether he would have overtaken him later, that's another matter.
If you go back in this thread, i think you will find plenty of numbers, among which are also some that analyse that particular pit stop and how it unfolded.

Anyway, lets not focus too much on this particular incident. It's a pitty that both cars had problems and that one resulted in another DNF that didnt have to be.

I agree though that in the dry, both drivers have been very close. I think Austria will be very important. For Nico, it'll be important to beat Lewis in pace and to cement his lead. This would also give him quite a boost mentally too (lead by at least 29 points in the WDC). For Lewis, it's equally important as he will want/need a strong result after his DNF. It's also crucial that he can close that gap again or at least believe that he can do it.
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Nico made hay while the sun shined... but over a 12 race stretch I can only see darkness in his corner... too many "Hamilton tracks" coming up.
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n smikle wrote:Nico made hay while the sun shined... but over a 12 race stretch I can only see darkness in his corner... too many "Hamilton tracks" coming up.
29 points Nico advantage.

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CHT wrote:
n smikle wrote:Nico made hay while the sun shined... but over a 12 race stretch I can only see darkness in his corner... too many "Hamilton tracks" coming up.
29 points Nico advantage.
And one DNF cuts that advantage down to 4. Its not over yet, this championship fight still has a lot to offer =D>
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n smikle wrote:Nico made hay while the sun shined... but over a 12 race stretch I can only see darkness in his corner... too many "Hamilton tracks" coming up.
So what? Lewis was mighty during FP's and when it comes to Q he messes up the lap. What if Hamilton cracks under pressure?

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SilverArrow10 wrote:
CHT wrote:
n smikle wrote:Nico made hay while the sun shined... but over a 12 race stretch I can only see darkness in his corner... too many "Hamilton tracks" coming up.
29 points Nico advantage.
And one DNF cuts that advantage down to 4. Its not over yet, this championship fight still has a lot to offer =D>
There might be more DNF to come.

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F1NAC wrote:
n smikle wrote:Nico made hay while the sun shined... but over a 12 race stretch I can only see darkness in his corner... too many "Hamilton tracks" coming up.
So what? Lewis was mighty during FP's and when it comes to Q he messes up the lap. What if Hamilton cracks under pressure?
I think Rosberg is under the pressure. A German driver driving for the Silver Arrows got to keep you up at nights...
So many Lockups from Rosberg while he is being chased by Hamilton it will be a matter of time when the tables are turned.

Rosberg though under constant pressure to perform, is playing a better mental game in qualifying and he's also consistently getting better pitstops. Not to mention tons of luck.

Anywhoo.. It is good signs for Hamilton now. He is a smidgen faster and is saving more tyres and fuel. After Mercedes wins the WCC then Drivers will be free to use the engine maps. Good news for Ham. He can finally use that 4kg of fuel that he has in Hand over Nico. Exciting times ahead! 29 points is nothing.
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Starting P9 and being so close to Rosberg is a remarkable perfomance. Hamilton did a great job, this battle isn't over.

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MercedesAMGSpy wrote:Starting P9 and being so close to Rosberg is a remarkable perfomance. Hamilton did a great job, this battle isn't over.
It may have been a different story without that great start, though. It's not like Hamilton had to scythe through the field - he pretty much was on Rosberg's tail by lap 2. Not to say that it wasn't a tremendous start, however.