Hamilton Vs Rosberg 2014

[SectorOne]

... We saw with Mclaren that even when one person is so obviously messed up he can´t do pit stops properly he stays for another 6-7 races until he gets replaced. And that was mega problems as opposed to the sluggish stops on Hamilton´s side.

On several races, on multiple occasions Hamilton has had considerably slower stops then Rosberg who (from all the info i gathered so far) has not even once, had a pit stop time above 3 seconds. still waiting on Canada so i can watch that too.

How many times does Hamilton have to miss his mark for them to tell him that he is?
Or do we have another 15 excuses lined up to account for the majority of times he´s got much slower stops?

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Races			Hamilton		Rosberg

Malaysia		3.1			2.5
2			    3.8			-	
3		       2.8			-				

Bahrain	    2.7			2.9

China			2.9			3.0
2			    3.9			3.0

Spain			3.8			2.8
2			    4.3			3.0

Canada        3.6         3.1
2nd           2.9         4.5

Austria       3.5         2.6
2             4.0         3.0

I´m not even debating the 2 tenths here and there but a SECOND plus, as seen in both Austria and Spain.

[Sevach]

You seem to have forgotten Canada...

And you didn't answer my question, were you crying foul there?

[SectorOne]

You seem to have forgotten Canada...

Did i? Or did you not read my post?

And you didn't answer my question, were you crying foul there?

What about Canada?

First stationary stop 3.6 for Hamilton, 3.1 for Rosberg.

And now as i´m looking, first stop for Rosberg that´s over 3 seconds, unbelievable! 4.5 seconds for him.
2.9 for Hamilton last one. Will update the data.

Why would i be crying foul? If we assume Rosberg had a problem then Hamilton has had problems almost every race then.

[basti313]

Why would i be crying foul? If we assume Rosberg had a problem then Hamilton has had problems almost every race then.

Well, how many times didn't he stop in the right place?

[SectorOne]

Well, how many times didn't he stop in the right place?

I think our dicsussion would be more along "what´s causing Hamilton to miss his markers all the time" if you´re saying he´s missed the markers everytime he´s got a second slower stationary stops as it would be obvious by now.

Not taking into account Australia, Two stops in Malaysia (unless someone finds the data), 1 stop in Bahrain (SC) and Monaco (SC)
Hamilton has lost 4.3 seconds in stationary time.

Not much but when races are won with deficits like 6 tenths or 1,9 seconds it´s alot.

And again, i´m not discussing itsy bitsy tenths here and there, i´m talking about the obvious pattern of extremely slow stops for Hamilton on a consistent basis in relation to his teammate.

[astracrazy]

I too question the pit stops because it always seems to be when Hamilton can under/over cut Rosberg. The trouble is, Hamilton can't say anything because it would be a dangerous road to go down.

I wouldn't be surprised though if this will be the last of his slow pitstops (no matter who's fault its claimed to be) because such a fuss has been made this time about it, Merc will want to make sure it doesn't keep happening. It would be a dark cloud which would continue growing.

[SectorOne]

Also there´s been three races now where they have ignored the "first guy pits first", might as well scrap that too.
I can´t imagine it being fun for the guy behind knowing he can´t try an undercut, like for Rosberg in Spain or Bahrain perhaps.

[Sevach]

Why would i be crying foul? If we assume Rosberg had a problem then Hamilton has had problems almost every race then.

Hamilton had "problems" at Spain and Austria, that's pretty far from every race.

And i don't know how much of it i should take to heart... but the Mercedes team boss says Hamilton, not the mechanics, is to blame for Austria.

[slimfitcasual]

If it's a German team with a German driver than it MUST be a conspiracy right? Ugh.

The same type of accusations were leveled at Red Bull last year over Webber's ride and in the end it all came down to Marc being harder on his equipment than Vettel. Occam's Razor FTW.

Lewis might be missing his stops along with various reliability issues they've both suffered from. Simple. Nothing that's being posted here as evidence of Merc's favoritism is definitive, really it's all very silly.

[SectorOne]

The same type of accusations were leveled at Red Bull last year over Webber's ride and in the end it all came down to Marc being harder on his equipment than Vettel. Occam's Razor FTW.

Ricciardo must have the driving inputs of a mouse for that to be true. If Webber was still around he probably would not have done even one lap then seeing how many problems Vettel has now.

Do you really understand Occam´s Razor? Because i could put forth a competing theory with as many assumptions as you.
Is both right? Maybe we can leave the razors out of the question.

[thomin]

If it's a German team with a German driver than it MUST be a conspiracy right? Ugh.

The same type of accusations were leveled at Red Bull last year over Webber's ride and in the end it all came down to Marc being harder on his equipment than Vettel. Occam's Razor FTW.

Lewis might be missing his stops along with various reliability issues they've both suffered from. Simple. Nothing that's being posted here as evidence of Merc's favoritism is definitive, really it's all very silly.

Agreed. I can't believe how many people seriously think there's a conspiracy going on.

In this case, it even should be rather easy to spot whether or not Lewis missed his mark.

But even if it was 100% the pit crew's fault, these things happen. We've seen it time and again, ever since there were pit stops.

[SectorOne]

Yes we have a full season to analyze this, should be very interesting to see future stops.

[MercedesAMGSpy]

I keep an eye on it, I remember two very poor pit stops for Hamilton in Spain, so it was a deja vu today. We will see how it goes.

[slimfitcasual]

Do you really understand Occam´s Razor? Because i could put forth a competing theory with as many assumptions as you.
Is both right? Maybe we can leave the razors out of the question.

Keep the assumptions rolling...

[sennafan24]

Lewis has acknowledged that the blame for the slow pitstops could rest partially on him.

http://www1.skysports.com/f1/report/241 ... its-damage

"I didn't know I had lost that much time. They didn't feel fast but it could have been my positioning," Hamilton acknowledged with Mercedes subsequently confirming that their driver had marginally over-shot his pit box at his first stop.

I think you guys seriously need to chill the heck out. No conspiracy theory, and nothing to really get wound up over to start dishing out personal attacks.