Hamilton Vs Rosberg 2014

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At the beginning of the season, i was convinced, that lewis Hamilton would be a serious title contender for the 2014 season.
Today, after the Austrian Grand Prix, i'm not so sure anymore....http://formula1livenews.com/?p=288

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The second slow stop I have read in several places was caused by damage to a cake tin.

I am not sure how Lewis managed to pick up this damage, so for now it is open ended as to whether that one was on his own head or down to the team's incompetence. Nico has the same problem in Australia with the cake tin if you recall.

The thing about this weekend is, Lewis made his bed on Saturday, and I say that as a Lewis fan. If he would not have bodged up during his banker lap, he would have most probably been on pole, and given that Nico would have had to scrap with the Williams presumably, the slow pit stops would not have effected his track position as much. Nico was slower than K-Mag after the first two sectors of his banker lap, he was there for Lewis's taking, and he bottled it, twice!

Not sure where these allegations of a conspiracy are coming from. Lewis has been more unlucky this year. Australia very well night be the difference maker in the points standings (if Lewis would have won, the swing in points would have served him well enough that he would be top of the standings). If you want to argue a case for Lewis being unfortunate, there is a definitive one there.

But Austria was on his own head I am afraid. I was watching at home, and I assumed the pit stops were just incompetence, but when the driver himself holds his hand up, then I see no reason to investigate further.

I have have not seen any evidence to suggest Lewis is a victim of foul play. You can put forward the argument that Lewis has had 2 mechancial DNF's this year, whilst Nico has had 0. But last year over the entire season the opposite was true. Whilst the luck was played out elsewhere due to the points swing at Silverstone, Nico had 3 mechanical DNF's to Lewis's 0

Its been a year full of strain, so I am not surprised some fans are getting wound up. But these far out theories are a bit too much for my taste.

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SectorOne wrote:So there we have it (apparently), Hamilton has overshot his pit box every time he´s had a much slower pit stop time.
I´m glad we solved that bit.
After so many races taking notice of the slower stops it was just Hamilton in the future missing his markers.
No, it is a bit different: If you subtract the pitstops where he overshot, the security stops at Malaysia, the stops with Rosberg being kept away with an extra lap and the stops with mechanical problems, there is just nothing left to argue about.
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sennafan24 wrote: I think you guys seriously need to chill the heck out. No conspiracy theory, and nothing to really get wound up over to start dishing out personal attacks.
As the American announcers said, missing the mark will cost you a few 10ths, not a full second. If the team had gotten the first stop right, Lewis would not have come out behind Bottas.
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dans79 wrote:
sennafan24 wrote: I think you guys seriously need to chill the heck out. No conspiracy theory, and nothing to really get wound up over to start dishing out personal attacks.
As the American announcers said, missing the mark will cost you a few 10ths, not a full second. If the team had gotten the first stop right, Lewis would not have come out behind Bottas.
Fair enough

But it has gone both ways. Remember, Lewis gained a place from a slow stop for Nico at Canada, which saw him ahead for a lap or so before his brake failure.

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I will not be surprised if Rosberg has been lobbying pretty hard over at Merc to get the team behind him.
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sennafan24 wrote:The second slow stop I have read in several places was caused by damage to a cake tin.

I am not sure how Lewis managed to pick up this damage, so for now it is open ended as to whether that one was on his own head or down to the team's incompetence. Nico has the same problem in Australia with the cake tin if you recall.

The thing about this weekend is, Lewis made his bed on Saturday, and I say that as a Lewis fan. If he would not have bodged up during his banker lap, he would have most probably been on pole, and given that Nico would have had to scrap with the Williams presumably, the slow pit stops would not have effected his track position as much. Nico was slower than K-Mag after the first two sectors of his banker lap, he was there for Lewis's taking, and he bottled it, twice!

Not sure where these allegations of a conspiracy are coming from. Lewis has been more unlucky this year. Australia very well night be the difference maker in the points standings (if Lewis would have won, the swing in points would have served him well enough that he would be top of the standings). If you want to argue a case for Lewis being unfortunate, there is a definitive one there.

But Austria was on his own head I am afraid. I was watching at home, and I assumed the pit stops were just incompetence, but when the driver himself holds his hand up, then I see no reason to investigate further.

I have have not seen any evidence to suggest Lewis is a victim of foul play. You can put forward the argument that Lewis has had 2 mechancial DNF's this year, whilst Nico has had 0. But last year over the entire season the opposite was true. Whilst the luck was played out elsewhere due to the points swing at Silverstone, Nico had 3 mechanical DNF's to Lewis's 0

Its been a year full of strain, so I am not surprised some fans are getting wound up. But these far out theories are a bit too much for my taste.
You know what Sennafan. I aint even mad at Lewis' performance in Austria. He came second after all. It's just that Rosberg had a 50 point lead given to him on a silver platter which is making Lewis' performance look bad when they really are not bad at all!
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n smikle wrote: You know, what Sennafan. I aint even mad at Lewis' performance in Austria. He came second after all. It's just that Rosberg had a 50 point lead given to him on a silver platter which is making Lewis' performance look bad when they really are not bad at all!
Lewis had a real opportunity to make up some meaningful points though.

I was underwhelmed and annoyed with him this weekend. He clearly had the talent and car, yet he bottled it in qualifying.

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I can't really remember the last time that Hamilton actually had a set of quick stops together in one race. It always seems to be the rear going down a lot slower as well. Strange. Guess maybe he comes in and goes slightly further into the pit box than Rosberg?
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I am even happy when Lewis has an average pit stop, today was terrible. You never know, but it can be the difference between 1 and 2 at the end of the season.

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n smikle wrote:I will not be surprised if Rosberg has been lobbying pretty hard over at Merc to get the team behind him.
I don't think this is the case at all. The drivers are very evenly matched and they are fighting each other hard enough on their own. The last thing Toto, Niki, and Paddy want to do is to direct favoritism towards any one particular driver because they risk fragmenting and destroying the team.

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I am a Lewis fan, but Nico has taken me by surprise!
No wonder he was faster than Michael in his last days. I am really impressed with his quly pace and temperament in the final stages of quly.

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I thought at 6 laps till the end (or more), the team let the drivers know to use Strat6 settings to bring the cars home. So they weren't allowed to race. On the final lap the team let their drivers know they can use the overtake button, which I assume gives the car more power? But why on the final lap when the gap is just too big to have any opportunities in overtaking?

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Rosberg seems to be somebody who calculates and plans everything. If Hamilton goes faster he analyzes the data and they goes as fast as hamilton. He seems to have a lot of confidence on that and at this moment he is very strong.

Hamilton seems to be a more instinctive and emotional pilot. Intuitively he finds everytime something to be quickest than the others. And this gives him a reputation of genious driver. But for that he needs to be in a positive mind.

From the beginning of the year, Hamilton shows his speed with four consecutive wins, that gives to him some confidence. But during that Rosberg learns a lot from Hamilton data which allows him to reduce the gap. At this moment Rosberg is more lucky but the championship is not finished and there is still a long way.

So for the two pilots the situation is challlenging : Rosberg knows Hamilton can find something to go faster, And Hamilton knows whatever he does Rosberg will close the gap !
Now all is between luck and confidence.

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Pierred wrote:Rosberg seems to be somebody who calculates and plans everything. If Hamilton goes faster he analyzes the data and they goes as fast as hamilton. He seems to have a lot of confidence on that and at this moment he is very strong.

Hamilton seems to be a more instinctive and emotional pilot. Intuitively he finds everytime something to be quickest than the others. And this gives him a reputation of genious driver. But for that he needs to be in a positive mind.

From the beginning of the year, Hamilton shows his speed with four consecutive wins, that gives to him some confidence. But during that Rosberg learns a lot from Hamilton data which allows him to reduce the gap. At this moment Rosberg is more lucky but the championship is not finished and there is still a long way.

So for the two pilots the situation is challlenging : Rosberg knows Hamilton can find something to go faster, And Hamilton knows whatever he does Rosberg will close the gap !
Now all is between luck and confidence.
There are few black holes here for Nico. If Lewis holds back his true speed until Q3 in qualifying, then Nico is screwed up. The other is, if Nico ever races alongside an average driver, then also he is screwed up because there is no reference to raise the game, which was probably the case in earlier seasons (considering Michael was was an aged driver). If ever Nico races alongside Fernando, then he would get royally screwed up (I know this is completely hypothetical). Well, at the moment things look bright for Nico and its upto him to make best use of Lewis' emotional driving. :P