Hamilton Vs Rosberg 2014

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astracrazy wrote: 100% he would not of moved over if it hadn't been put in his head, but its his fault for doing it
The stewards are not stupid. If he does not move over when aborting a lap, he will be given a penalty.
astracrazy wrote: The thing i find hard to swallow is the fact the team say they will let them fight and they give those instructions....
That you make up? Actually if he would been given any instructions...it would have been to cross the line earlier.
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basti313 wrote:
astracrazy wrote: 100% he would not of moved over if it hadn't been put in his head, but its his fault for doing it
The stewards are not stupid. If he does not move over when aborting a lap, he will be given a penalty.
astracrazy wrote: The thing i find hard to swallow is the fact the team say they will let them fight and they give those instructions....
That you make up? Actually if he would been given any instructions...it would have been to cross the line earlier.
I didn't say aborted. He would never have aborted the lap, he only did because he was down so moved over as told.

He wasn't going that slow they still left Perez behind.

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basti313 wrote:
astracrazy wrote: 100% he would not of moved over if it hadn't been put in his head, but its his fault for doing it
The stewards are not stupid. If he does not move over when aborting a lap, he will be given a penalty.
He didn't need to abort the lap. He was entitled to a hot lap, and had track position. Completing the lap would have got him at least in the top 3, and would have prevented his team mate from getting pole. The stewards wouldn't have been able to penalise him because although it probably wouldn't have been a pole lap, it would have been a hot lap. You can only be penalised for impeding another driver if you are either on an in/out lap or you are driving intentionally slow.

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Ultimately it was Rosberg´s quick thinking (or Hamilton´s lack of) that sealed the deal.
Very good of Rosberg to not just have a go but understand that he could claw all the time back in the last sector.

For me this was a very impressive pole position from Rosberg and probably the dumbest performance i´ve seen from Hamilton by a country mile.

The race should be one hell of a race let me tell you that, you got Ferrari in the back, Ricciardo behind Vettel and Hamilton high mid-pack ready to pounce.
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Diesel wrote:
basti313 wrote:
astracrazy wrote: 100% he would not of moved over if it hadn't been put in his head, but its his fault for doing it
The stewards are not stupid. If he does not move over when aborting a lap, he will be given a penalty.
He didn't need to abort the lap.
So what do you want to say? That he was forced to because he didn't need to? Because it was planted in his head by telepathy?
Diesel wrote: He was entitled to a hot lap, and had track position. Completing the lap would have got him at least in the top 3, and would have prevented his team mate from getting pole.
But he didn't. He wanted to abort his lap and he did so. So he had to move over. Period.
I do not want to discuss what he could have done, what he could have wanted to have done or what he would have done if it would have been another day.
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It should be interesting to see updated qualifying difference statistic, 3,5 s on one track will change a bit raw speed comparison, unless of course it wasn't precise to begin with.

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Odds (from Ladbrokes.de)

WDC 2014
Rosberg 1.66:1
Hamilton 2.25:1
delta 0.69

Silverstone Winner
Rosberg 1.66:1
Hamilton 3.5:1
delta 1.84

Bookmakers clearly feel Hamilton is losing the plot, and that's not even a tight margin; the Germany v. Brazil World Cup game is much tighter:-

Brazil 2.75:1
Germany 2.6:1
delta 0.15

Surprisingly the Holland v. Argentina semi is also deemed to be a much tighter race than Hamilton v. Rosberg at Silverstone:-

Argentina 2.4:1
Holland 3.1:1
delta 0.7

I am actually quite surprised by that, I would have given Lewis more of a shot than that in the British GP. Might be worth a value bet at Silverstone? I mean I think Rosberg is beating him overall, but Hamilton always has a chance of a Rosberg DNF or something.
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Hamilton increasingly comes across as having the mental strength of an antique China unicorn. While I am not a fan and was very happy to see JB third, it was Hamilton's reaction after the session that revealed his frailty when he'd previously talked of "breaking" Rosberg. If he's able to recover places during the race he will be able to deal with yesterday's mistakes but, if not, I think his season will be very hard to recover.

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I´m fairly certain it´s gonna swing both ways all season to be honest. What´s important for Rosberg is that now that he has the momentum, that he wins every single race. When Hamilton had the momentum he won 4 straight, just banked all of them. If Rosberg can´t win in Silverstone he´s only banked 50% of the potential wins while he´s got the momentum.

Now he´s got a points advantage so not winning everything is a tiny bit less important but that is assuming Rosberg has no DNF´s all season and i don´t think you can bank on that.
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SectorOne wrote:What´s important for Rosberg is that now that he has the momentum, that he wins every single race.
That's not what is important for Rosberg. That is thinking like Hamilton, not Rosberg.
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SidSidney wrote:That's not what is important for Rosberg.
Yes it´s very important for Rosberg because he can´t bank on not having DNF´s.

If both have the momentum for four races let´s say and one guy wins all four of them and the other winning 75 or 50 percent then the only difference is DNF´s keeping you ahead.

It´s absolutely crucial to come out victorious when the ball is on your side of the court.
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I agree that the pendulum will keep on swinging both ways. But in Rosberg's position, the important thing now is to play it safe and bring home as many points as is possible without risking too much. Should he not run into problems, this means of course winning the British GP. But should there be any issues, he needs to stay cool and not try to win at all costs.

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thomin wrote:But in Rosberg's position, the important thing now is to play it safe and bring home as many points as is possible without risking too much. Should he not run into problems, this means of course winning the British GP. But should there be any issues, he needs to stay cool and not try to win at all costs.
There you go. That's what Rosberg is thinking.
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SidSidney wrote:Odds (from Ladbrokes.de)

WDC 2014
Rosberg 1.66:1
Hamilton 2.25:1
delta 0.69

Silverstone Winner
Rosberg 1.66:1
Hamilton 3.5:1
delta 1.84

Bookmakers clearly feel Hamilton is losing the plot, and that's not even a tight margin; the Germany v. Brazil World Cup game is much tighter:-

Brazil 2.75:1
Germany 2.6:1
delta 0.15

Surprisingly the Holland v. Argentina semi is also deemed to be a much tighter race than Hamilton v. Rosberg at Silverstone:-

Argentina 2.4:1
Holland 3.1:1
delta 0.7

I am actually quite surprised by that, I would have given Lewis more of a shot than that in the British GP. Might be worth a value bet at Silverstone? I mean I think Rosberg is beating him overall, but Hamilton always has a chance of a Rosberg DNF or something.
So, did you place that bet? ;)

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thomin wrote:
SidSidney wrote: I am actually quite surprised by that, I would have given Lewis more of a shot than that in the British GP. Might be worth a value bet at Silverstone? I mean I think Rosberg is beating him overall, but Hamilton always has a chance of a Rosberg DNF or something.
So, did you place that bet? ;)
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