Hamilton Vs Rosberg 2014

[bdr529]

I am sorry, but there is a big difference between growing up in Britain and being British and growing up in Monaco and saying you are German.

Maybe I am German too.

Besides the Royals and some hotel staff, Is anyone really from Monaco ?
it's more VIP lounge then country

[dans79]

Does it really pay Lewis to annoy Mercedes when they have "marketing German" in the team?

Since it's an international company I doubt they really care unless Lewis starts using the K or N word.

[siskue2005]

plz watch the video guy, his quote is there

[Phil]

And now the --- has hit the fan ladies and gentlemen.

Meanwhile, Hamilton rankled at a reported comment by Mercedes team boss Toto Wolff after Silverstone that, following his Silverstone retirement, Rosberg offered Hamilton a piece of advice, or a ‘tip’, en route to victory.

“Toto said that?” Hamilton responded, joking: “That’s good. Toto likes being on that side of the garage.” (GMM)

Anyone know exactly what the comment was that Toto said?

I'm only piecing it together, but the comment by Toto everyone is refering to, was from the BBC broadcast. Immediately after the race, they interviewed him:

This is the extract:

Interviewer:
We saw you speaking to Rosberg towards the end of the race there, just tell us about his emotions:

Toto:
Ah, yes, he was okay. Very profesionally. He knows he didn't have the DNF until now, and now the championship is wide open again, but he gave me, us, a tip actually, so he was supporting Lewis in his final laps, that was very profesionally indeed.

Interviewer:
Ah that's great to hear. Many many congratulations, Mercedes back to back winners of the british Grand prix.

[sAx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK_mreh ... e=youtu.be

So the questionable nature of Rosberg's nationality (if indeed it is), was actually put forward by Tony Jardine (start from 1m 27 in)!! Seems F1T can at times be more sensational than the much now maligned NoTW!

[basti313]

Lewis has to decide how he wants to present himself, he's paying the bill. Choosing Fuller just demonstrates his priorities (and the influence of his ex-girlfriend). Spewing this quasi-racist nonsense makes him look dumb, inexperienced, unworldly; and I thought he didn't like that?

Well, this is what I wanted to say. Maybe Fuller-toy is the wrong description. Hamilton decided to be presented in the way Fuller presents his clients and Hamilton knew this style very well, I think we coincide in this. So he chose to be a Spicegirl...
And as I said: Fuller never presented a rocket scientist. All his clients look dumb, stupid and sometimes arrogant or disrespectful. This his how he keeps them in the papers.

I think we agree entirely here. I can see the thinking behind it, I just think it is all wrong-headed nonsense.

No, I think it is just simple marketing:
- You only sell a star people can identify themselves with.
- You can not identify with a Winner without faults.
- People like to identify themselves with the stupid bully, not with the calm rocket scientist.
- To sell someone you have to keep him in the papers, no matter what it costs.
- Nothing sells better than a new hairdo every week.
- Nationalism always sells as long as it is not German nationalism.

No. The mechanics earn money with every point the drivers and the team wins. And they work for this money and nothing else. Conspiracy theories and personal preferences are for fanboys and the media.

There are quite a few well-documented instances where mechanics have done what the team boss - who pays the salary - tells them to do, often to the detriment of one driver or another. Vettel vs. Webber at Red Bull? Mansell vs. Prost at Ferrari? Schumacher vs. anybody at any team he ever drove for? Stepney sabotaging the Ferraris? I also know of a few instances where mechanics have put drivers on Steward's Nines, through a minor mistake or prolonged tyre stop ("sorry Juan Pablo"), just to pay them back for being a bastard.

You really call these "well-documented instances"? And good examples for Hamilton Vs Rosberg 2014? Come on...

Does it really pay Lewis to annoy Mercedes when they have "marketing German" in the team?

Do they? Why do you believe in "marketing German"? There is not a single evidence for that.
Mercedes is a worldwide company, the F1 is worldwide marketing. Nothing else. Mercedes may sell German engineering, but there is just not a single reason for them to sell a German driver outside Germany. Based on the worldwide impact they would have to support Hamilton if it would be about marketing.

[Just_a_fan]

The whole nationality thing is ridiculous anyway - if the Mercedes GP team is called German when it's lived in the UK its entire life, is made up of predominantly British people and uses a "German" engine made in the UK, why can't one of the drivers claim to be German even though he lives somewhere else?

No doubt Mercedes GP team's management will claim the German GP is their home race to keep the board happy, but the people who make and run the cars have just had their team's home race at Silverstone.

Likewise the Austrian team, Red Bull Racing, that lives in the UK.

The whole team nationality thing is stupid.

[SectorOne]

Toto:
Ah, yes, he was okay. Very profesionally. He knows he didn't have the DNF until now, and now the championship is wide open again, but he gave me, us, a tip actually, so he was supporting Lewis in his final laps, that was very profesionally indeed.

Thanks, bit a weird reaction from Hamilton but it does say joking so perhaps if we had seen his face we could have judged the Toto comments a little bit better.

But now i´m interested in what the tip was! Something with the gearbox maybe?

[SectorOne]

The whole nationality thing is ridiculous anyway - if the Mercedes GP team is called German when it's lived in the UK its entire life, is made up of predominantly British people and uses a "German" engine made in the UK, why can't one of the drivers claim to be German even though he lives somewhere else?

No doubt Mercedes GP team's management will claim the German GP is their home race to keep the board happy, but the people who make and run the cars have just had their team's home race at Silverstone.

Likewise the Austrian team, Red Bull Racing, that lives in the UK.

The whole team nationality thing is stupid.

It seems to be where the money comes from. The money for Red Bull come from Austria, or Austrian pockets if you will.
And it´s Mercedes the German brand that finances the F1 team.

But yes, it´s a little bit stupid. The brand might be from a country but the teams are obviously multinational.

[astracrazy]

That's strange, because it doesn't make sense. The answer Lewis gave almost doesn't go with the Toto interview.

I can only guess there is more going on behind the scenes than we know about. He might be joking, but there is a reason why he would say that. Joking or not. We've all said something we wanna say, but say it in a jokey way to try and cover it up to everyone else.

Are we wrongly presuming this 'tip' was passed on to Lewis? After all Toto had to correct himself from me to us?

[Phil]

Toto:
Ah, yes, he was okay. Very profesionally. He knows he didn't have the DNF until now, and now the championship is wide open again, but he gave me, us, a tip actually, so he was supporting Lewis in his final laps, that was very profesionally indeed.

Thanks, bit a weird reaction from Hamilton but it does say joking so perhaps if we had seen his face we could have judged the Toto comments a little bit better.

But now i´m interested in what the tip was! Something with the gearbox maybe?

No idea. If I am to guess, it perhaps was the last radio to Hamilton on the last two laps where the team radioed to warn him about possible oil on the track because Maldonado had stopped. Apart from this, which could very well have been from the engineer etc, I don't think the tip would have been of much help in any case. Hamilton had a huge lead, so anything beyond the point when Rosberg retired would be nursing and cruising the car to the finish line anyway.


If Rosberg did in fact make any effort to give tips, it rather shows how effective and intelligent Rosberg is. He certainly knows how to play the game well and score good points with the team and everyone around you. I think this is perhaps also something that JB did a lot better during his time as team-mate of Hamilton.

[astracrazy]

Maybe your right and Lewis is picking up on the fact Nico and Toto have a better relationship?

But i find it strange Nico would want Lewis to close in on him down to 4 points

[Pierce89]

Because he doesn't believe the next GP in Germany is Nicos home event and it probably in his mind isn't the same as him winning the British GP.

Well didn't Nico already win Monaco? If he wins Germany too, he'll have definitely won his home Gp, so I don't get your point.

[Just_a_fan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK_mreh ... e=youtu.be

So the questionable nature of Rosberg's nationality (if indeed it is), was actually put forward by Tony Jardine (start from 1m 27 in)!! Seems F1T can at times be more sensational than the much now maligned NoTW!

Exactly, it was a media-type that made the comment about Nico's nationality. Before that, Hamilton was playing the British crowd. As usual, 2+2 = 5 when it comes to comments attributed to drivers...

[sAx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK_mreh ... e=youtu.be

So the questionable nature of Rosberg's nationality (if indeed it is), was actually put forward by Tony Jardine (start from 1m 27 in)!! Seems F1T can at times be more sensational than the much now maligned NoTW!

Exactly, it was a media-type that made the comment about Nico's nationality. Before that, Hamilton was playing the British crowd. As usual, 2+2 = 5 when it comes to comments attributed to drivers...

For sure! He (Hamilton), has a great job - a sponsors delight. When he doesn't speak he's news and when someone else speaks he's news - 2+2=Hamilton!!