FRIC Could Be Banned As Soon As Germany

[FW17]

WEC uses BOP, I don't see anyone calling it a spec series?

Sport - is finding a way for everyone to compete in near equal terms

I don't see WEC being heralded as the pinnacle of motorsport either though.

Spot does not mean that in any way shape or form. I didn't see Germany only allowed 9 players to Brazil's 13 last night. Usain Bolt doesn't carry extra weights in his shorts.

What sport should mean is consistent, clear and universal rules applied equally to all to provide a level playing field in terms of the competitive area. That does not include reinterpretation of the rules in the middle of a season to outlaw technology that has been on the cars for years giving the teams two weeks notice. It shouldn't mean political maneuvering by the competitors being as important as actual ability.

Why Ban Full-Body Olympics Swimsuits? Cause it was unfair for competition between swimmers.

F1 is a mix of technical race as well as a race between drivers. When one team of engineers make a huge leap in performance then there is no race between the drivers (other than 2). So should the fans of the other drivers and teams just wait for the next season? Hence BOP is fair

F1 rules are not black and white, but majority of it is in the gray area. Time to time clarifications would be made that would seem political. With regard to the current context of FRIC, the need for ban has come due to 2 reasons, not 1

1) All races cannot be for the 3rd place
2) FRIC systems have evolved into something totally different to what it was 6 years back or even to last year. The parameters that it currently controls on the car are probably already hedging against the intensions of the rules.

I also suspect there has been a request for a request for clarification of a improved system from one of the teams for future use which probable is true to words of the rules but totally against the intensions of the rules which has probably triggered this entire ban

[Just_a_fan]

Changing the rules or the interpretation of those rules in the middle of the season is an incompetent and terrible way to run a "sport" and to do it for political reasons is corrupt.

It's done to maintain the title races as long as possible so that the circuits / TV companies at the tail end of the season have a chance of hosting the deciding race. That's why Bernie's double points nonsense was introduced.

Mercedes have done too good a job this year so the FIA, on behalf of Bernie and the money men, are going to "clarify the rules". All that matters is the money men and their "show". F1will be lucky to keep the likes of Mercedes in the sport if they keep this up. No manufacturer is going to spend 100million and then have that thrown away for the " show".

[Tim.Wright]

Regarding the 3rd spring: The rule of movable aero excludes the sprung part of the car. I would say a third spring is part of the sprung part, so this should no problem in contrast to hydraulic cylinders driving the interconnected suspension.

Thats debatable. The third spring doesn't have a connection to the chassis. Its "floating" between the two rockers in exactly the same way that the hydraulic fluid is floating between the front and rear hydraulic clkinders

With this definition the dampers would also be sprung mass and they are driving the fluid.

Also FRIC is one of the last road-relevant things on a F1-car.

Yes, dampers partly contribute to the "effective" sprung mass as does anything else in the suspension that moves with the wheels.

On the road relevancy point, road cars were using interconnected suspensions before F1 was.

[matt21]

On the road relevancy point, road cars were using interconnected suspensions before F1 was.

the first of this systems was run back in 94. I don´t know of road cars using such systems this early.

[xpensive]

The overall point is to stall the Mercedes juggernaut, it's bad for business, and it might be more to come.

The Spanish sports newspaper Marca reports that the FIA is also considering clamping down on the rate and flow of hybrid power from the new 2014 'power units'.

A source was quoted as saying that while the actual combustion engines produced by Mercedes, Ferrari and Renault this year are remarkably close in performance, the big advantage enjoyed by Mercedes is in the 'hybrid' areas.

The source said Mercedes' advantage could be as much as "between 110 to 130 horse power on the straights".

[lio007]

This article states that RBR's (at least 2013) FRIC may be quite good:
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 76407.html

[Waywardism]

When are we likely to hear how the teams are going to vote on this? Surely they can't wait until next weekend...

[WaikeCU]

On the road relevancy point, road cars were using interconnected suspensions before F1 was.

the first of this systems was run back in 94. I don´t know of road cars using such systems this early.

Mclaren MP4-12c?

[MOWOG]

It's done to maintain the title races as long as possible so that the circuits / TV companies at the tail end of the season have a chance of hosting the deciding race. That's why Bernie's double points nonsense was introduced.

Mercedes have done too good a job this year so the FIA, on behalf of Bernie and the money men, are going to "clarify the rules". All that matters is the money men and their "show". F1will be lucky to keep the likes of Mercedes in the sport if they keep this up. No manufacturer is going to spend 100million and then have that thrown away for the " show".

Probably as good an explanation as I have seen. Watching Formula One has become equivalent to watching a shell game. We know its rigged. We know we are being fleeced. And yet we continue to watch, unwilling to believe what we are seeing is true.

The future was foretold last weekend. While the mechanics fiddled with damaged Armco, most of the viewing audience switched over to World Cup or Wimbledon, reducing the TV audience in England to the lowest point since 2006.

The chickens WILL come home to roost one day and we will wake to find we have been watching nothing but a shell game all these years. While the money men are busy squeezing every last shekel out of the still credulous television networks, they are strangling the sport we love.

By the time this all plays out, there will be nothing left but the carcass of Formula One. And maybe that's a good thing. Maybe then a new series will arise, Phoenix like, from the ashes, one that focuses on RACING instead of GREED.






That's the hope, anyway.

[xpensive]

I hear this is MrE's successor;

[FW17]

On the road relevancy point, road cars were using interconnected suspensions before F1 was.

the first of this systems was run back in 94. I don´t know of road cars using such systems this early.

Mclaren MP4-12c?

No the minardi m194 which was carried over from 1993

[WaikeCU]

the first of this systems was run back in 94. I don´t know of road cars using such systems this early.

Mclaren MP4-12c?

No the minardi m194 which was carried over from 1993

I meant the road car. This:

[SectorOne]

12c wasn´t built in 1994, Waike.

[WaikeCU]

12c wasn´t built in 1994, Waike.

Oh shoot, misread the sentence. Didn't saw the 'this early' at the end.

[Tim.Wright]

On the road relevancy point, road cars were using interconnected suspensions before F1 was.

the first of this systems was run back in 94. I don´t know of road cars using such systems this early.

Mclaren MP4-12c?

The McLaren systrm doesn't link front to rear as far as I know.

Citroen did it in the 40s on the 2CV, BMC did it in the 60s (hydrolastic suspension). More recently Citroen had the Tenneco system on their rally cars back when it was still called Kinetic Suspension and I believe (though not completely sure) that Toyota had it on the Landcruiser relatively recently too.

Interconnected suspensions are nothing new