Hamilton Vs Rosberg 2014

[ringo]

Well, I thought Canada would be an easy win for Hamilton, so it won't say anything:
GER - too close to call
HON - HAM
SPA- HAM
MONZA - ROS
SIN - ROS
JAP - HAM
RUS - no idea
USA - HAM
BRA - too close to call
ABU - too close to call

Even with poor qualifying i think it was an easy win for Hamilton anyway. Remember Rosberg cutting the track to gain 1 second advantage? He would have been passed right then and there. That would be fairly straightforward win for Lewis.
And even still, Hamilton did overtake rosberg on track only to have a car failure. So in essence i don't look on Canada as a defeat for Lewis. At no point did it look like he didn't have an answer for Rosberg pace, it was more or less a matter of when he would have passed Nico on track.
That's Hamilton's worst race so far next to Austria and in both he was breathing down rosberg's neck in the race. I wouldn't feel any guilt predicting a Hamilton white wash for the remaining races. It's just those unpredictable stuff that can and will happen that will hinder him.

In fact i'm quite surprised he hasn't crashed into a backmarker yet.

[Gaz.]

I just did some quick math, and if Merc goes 1/2 and RBR goes 3/4 for the next 6 races Merc wins the championship even if they don't score a point after that and RBR goes 1/2 the rest of the season.

Mer: 584 pts
RBR: 545 pts

And that assumes RBR finish 3-4 until Singapore, so far their results are: DSQ/DNF, 3/DNF, 4/6, 4/5, 3/4, 3/DNF, 1/3, 8/DNF, 3/5. I think Merc may wrap it up in Monza and it'll be interesting how the FRIC ban shakes up the order- it may well suit Mercedes as the likes of Mclaren & Ferrari may start to take points of Williams & RBR (the latter I think will be hit hardest from the ban, but that's for another thread).

[Kingshark]

And even still, Hamilton did overtake rosberg on track only to have a car failure.

Only because Rosberg had a pitstop 1.7 seconds slower than normal, and as a result Hamilton was able to jump him.

Lewis never overtook Nico on track, he was never even able to get side-by-side, even despite the double DRS zone.

Canada was predicted to be a Hamilton white-wash, and it turned out to be anything but.

[andrewf1]

And even still, Hamilton did overtake rosberg on track only to have a car failure.

Only because Rosberg had a pitstop 1.7 seconds slower than normal, and as a result Hamilton was able to jump him.

Lewis never overtook Nico on track, he was never even able to get side-by-side, even despite the double DRS zone.

Canada was predicted to be a Hamilton white-wash, and it turned out to be anything but.

Well you can't get side by side, even with double-DRS, if your rival cuts chicanes now, can you?

Anyways, agreed, it wasn't a Hamilton whitewash indeed, although in a different scenario devoid of car troubles, I'm pretty sure that Lewis would have eventually overtaken Nico even without the slower pitstop.

[flynfrog]

Will they stop data sharing just because they've won the Constructor's Championship? Won't continued sharing help with their development and therefore help next year's car?

this no data sharing thing so some fanboy's wet dream. Its not the drivers data its the teams.

[PlatinumZealot]

Iup to malaysia hamilton's side of the garage did not submit any setup data to the team. (I think)

[flynfrog]

Iup to malaysia hamilton's side of the garage did not submit any setup data to the team. (I think)

Hamiltons side of the garage does not sign the pay checks. The boss says give the data or go work somewhere else. Keep in mind there are terabytes of data the garage probably never sees.

Any evidence of the claim smilke? Or forum hearsay

[SectorOne]

I think Wolff said something like after they win the WCC they might "let them loose".
If that means no more data saving or perhaps no more leader gets call on pits we´ll have to see.

I think what will happen is data sharing will stop, the team splits into two and they go at it full on as two separate teams within the team.
But we´ll see, i´m not sure it´s gonna make much of a difference.

[PlatinumZealot]

Iup to malaysia hamilton's side of the garage did not submit any setup data to the team. (I think)

Hamiltons side of the garage does not sign the pay checks. The boss says give the data or go work somewhere else. Keep in mind there are terabytes of data the garage probably never sees.

Any evidence of the claim smilke? Or forum hearsay

In the interview after the race Toto said he will have a look at hamiltons setup to see why the gap was so big. I think this is the point where both drivers sides were forced to share data

[dans79]

Whats going on right now, the two sides of the garage are making it as difficult as possible for the other side to use their data by doing really dis-jointed runs. I have seen both Lewis and Nico set a purple sector and then all but cost through the next one. This is why Totto made the comments about it hurting the team after Austria. The two sides of the garage are putting more effort into obscuring their data than they are into gathering good data.

What i think will happen is that after they lock down the WCC race weekend data sharing will no longer be required, and the lead driver pit preference will go away as well.

[andartop]

This opinion will probably make me unpopular, but I just don't get team orders in F1.
It used to be allowed and everyone was doing it without second thoughts.
When it was not allowed everyone was still doing it but trying their best to hide it. Well, except Ferrari who made it as obvious as they possibly could without saying it.
Now that it is again allowed everyone is trying to avoid it, and when they have to do it still try to hide it as best they can. We need to save fuel and all that.
Given the fact F1 has nothing to do with sport since a long long time - even before all the cost cutting and no testing nonsense - I don't see why. Not to displease the fans? Really? When was the last time anyone really cared about the fans as far as all the other important things are concerned, such as, I don't know, double points on the final race for example? Racing in countries where there is actually an F1 audience? Engine noise?
If I was head of Mercedes I would have asked the drivers to sign a clause that whoever is ahead in the standings after the 5th or 6th race (at the latest) gets Number 1 status and the championship, end of story. Number 2 driver has to deliver consistently to secure the WCC. After both titles are in the bag, feel free to race.
The following year, I might have considered letting them race their hearts out throughout the season. But after all these years since Mercedes bought Brawn and all the money spent, I wouldn't give s£$t about the drivers or the fans until I got both championships. In the current formula, this approach might have even made them more popular with the fans (at least some of them), would definitely fit a specific public image (I mean, lets not forget what kind of image the average Mercedes buyer is trying to project) and would put to rest all the BS and speculation.

[iHpled]

This opinion will probably make me unpopular, but I just don't get team orders in F1.
It used to be allowed and everyone was doing it without second thoughts.
When it was not allowed everyone was still doing it but trying their best to hide it. Well, except Ferrari who made it as obvious as they possibly could without saying it.
Now that it is again allowed everyone is trying to avoid it, and when they have to do it still try to hide it as best they can. We need to save fuel and all that.
Given the fact F1 has nothing to do with sport since a long long time - even before all the cost cutting and no testing nonsense - I don't see why. Not to displease the fans? Really? When was the last time anyone really cared about the fans as far as all the other important things are concerned, such as, I don't know, double points on the final race for example? Racing in countries where there is actually an F1 audience? Engine noise?
If I was head of Mercedes I would have asked the drivers to sign a clause that whoever is ahead in the standings after the 5th or 6th race (at the latest) gets Number 1 status and the championship, end of story. Number 2 driver has to deliver consistently to secure the WCC. After both titles are in the bag, feel free to race.
The following year, I might have considered letting them race their hearts out throughout the season. But after all these years since Mercedes bought Brawn and all the money spent, I wouldn't give s£$t about the drivers or the fans until I got both championships. In the current formula, this approach might have even made them more popular with the fans (at least some of them), would definitely fit a specific public image (I mean, lets not forget what kind of image the average Mercedes buyer is trying to project) and would put to rest all the BS and speculation.

Your approach would make the whole F1 fan base hate Mercedes.. Bad marketing, at least now they are every race in the spotlight and they probably still gonna win both championships with ease.

[SectorOne]

This opinion will probably make me unpopular, but I just don't get team orders in F1.

If I was head of Mercedes I would have asked the drivers to sign a clause that whoever is ahead in the standings after the 5th or 6th race (at the latest) gets Number 1 status and the championship, end of story.

That is borderline team orders right there though.

[ringo]

I don't think the data sharing ends with the practice sessions. It even goes into Q3 and race.
in qualifying it can be data about tyre warm up, where the other guy is driving slow on the out-lap to where he is braking, what his brake balance is.. to in the race where you have data on when the other guy feels he is going to pit, other things like the condition of his tyres, his diff settings, what kind of line he's taking, how he's applying the brakes, steering angle etc. I think it is too much and is taking away from the mystique of the driver's talents.

Anyhow, after they win the WCC i don't think they will cease to share data, it may only mean they stop sharing in-race data in regards to the pit strategy and stints, but i'll expect the data sharing right up till the cars complete the parade lap on Sunday. I hope they win it sooner than later though, as this rule about the first driver getting the pit call is just neutering the competition.

[iotar__]

Why this data sharing is suddenly an issue, is this another let's extend Q3 if yellow flags happen but only for LH not NR in Austria made up media topic? Imagine that they're running different programs or different parts, or need as much data for qualifying/the race as possible. It's been going on forever but now it's a problem or rather another excuse for reality not matching the hype.

BTW Button doesn't give up in his biggest fan of Ham quest, even though prediction before Canada, Austria and Silverstone were all wrong. http://en.espnf1.com/mclaren/motorsport ... MP=OTC-RSS If you keep repeating one thing and it happens 1/10 times it doesn't make you a prophet Jenson, maybe you're the slow one .