Hamilton Vs Rosberg 2014

[PlatinumZealot]

Button knows what's up.

[dans79]

Why this data sharing is suddenly an issue

Because it drastically minimizes a drivers ability to outshine his teammate/competitor.

Simply put, I Think Nico is barely inside the top 10 drivers on the grid when it come to pure ability, and the fact that he has access to all of Lewis's data is making him look much better than he actually is.

[flynfrog]

Why this data sharing is suddenly an issue

Because it drastically minimizes a drivers ability to outshine his teammate/competitor.

Simply put, I Think Nico is barely inside the top 10 drivers on the grid when it come to pure ability, and the fact that he has access to all of Lewis's data is making him look much better than he actually is.

so you are saying that Lewis is so good that a mere view of his data will make his no good teammate leader of the world championship. Teams use the data from both cars to develop the setup and strategy. Its not like there is a firewall between teammates. Like I said this data sharing scandal is all some bullshit wishful thinking.

[prince]

Why this data sharing is suddenly an issue

Because it drastically minimizes a drivers ability to outshine his teammate/competitor.

Simply put, I Think Nico is barely inside the top 10 drivers on the grid when it come to pure ability, and the fact that he has access to all of Lewis's data is making him look much better than he actually is.

so you are saying that Lewis is so good that a mere view of his data will make his no good teammate leader of the world championship. Teams use the data from both cars to develop the setup and strategy. Its not like there is a firewall between teammates. Like I said this data sharing scandal is all some bullshit wishful thinking.

When you have a great car, any tom, dick and harry can be championship leader. Do you seriously think if Rosberg is put in current Ferrari, he would be able to beat Alonso? Rosberg is a good driver, who can look at the data and learn from it and make improvement in his own driving. The same cannot be said about a lot of other drivers, Webber included. On Austria weekend, there was a question to Lewis asking, why he was not going out on the track like other drivers on a bicycle or something to get an idea of the circuit. His answer was like, he learns far more when he does one lap in car, rather than in any other way. People need to accept what is fact and not keep living in denial that Lewis isn't a great driver. The whole F1 world believes that, in this generation, Fernando and Lewis stands apart from the rest of the crowd. Fernando is definitely ahead of Lewis in Race Craft. Nevertheless, there have always been gifted drivers and Lewis certainly belongs there.

[SectorOne]

The complete disregard for Rosberg´s abilities is quite ridiculous. He´s no joke and when he teams up with say Alonso, Vettel or Ricciardo they too will realize that sh*t just got real.

[basti313]

Why this data sharing is suddenly an issue

Because it drastically minimizes a drivers ability to outshine his teammate/competitor.

Simply put, I Think Nico is barely inside the top 10 drivers on the grid when it come to pure ability, and the fact that he has access to all of Lewis's data is making him look much better than he actually is.

Isn't it the other way round? Isn't Hamilton profiting from Rosberg's data at the moment?

From GB:
Peter Bonnington to Lewis Hamilton in lap 6: OK Lewis, gap now 5.4. Loss to Nico, braking, turn six [Brooklands].

Peter Bonnington to Lewis Hamilton in lap 9: So Nico braking later, turn 15. And half tenth faster, sector one. Gap at 5.5. You are in your Safety Car window.

From Austria:
Peter Bonnington to Lewis Hamilton: OK so in terms of aero balance Nico is half a turn more forwards on aero balance. But he is two front bars stiffer. So more forward on mechanical, more understeer mechanically, but he has half a turn more aero balance. He is reporting car is quite oversteery at the moment. That’s where he’s at.

Peter Bonnington to Lewis Hamilton in lap 50: You are both in the same position so it will need management. So losing a little bit of time in turn six and eight. Just have a think about your diff high speed.

Peter Bonnington to Lewis Hamilton in lap 53: So just losing out six and seven. Gap is at 1.6. And brakes are good. So apex speed five and six, just Nico carrying a little more.

[dans79]

so you are saying that Lewis is so good that a mere view of his data will make his no good teammate leader of the world championship.

first off, Nico is leading by luck not merit, as he only has one DNF to Lewis's 2. Secondly, they are in what is by far the best car.

Isn't it the other way round? Isn't Hamilton profiting from Rosberg's data at the moment?

I don't give a crap about that data, as both drivers are doing that, and it's almost insignificant compared to the set-up data. The set-up data is what really matters. Bahrain last year is a perfect example, Nico took pole (4ths ahead of Lewis) but had a bad race set-up, while Lewis had a better race set-up but qualified 4th. Nico finished 9th, while Lewis Finished 5th.

[dren]

Alonso and Lewis are the best two drivers in F1. It's hard to say who is better on any given day. Alonso is more consistant, Lewis is likely a bit faster. Both wring out peformance in any car they are in.

The rest is hard to rank. Nico is no slouch. He is intelligent, learns quick, and is quick. He bested Schumacher (although an older version), and is giving Lewis a run for his money.

[George-Jung]

Why this data sharing is suddenly an issue

Because it drastically minimizes a drivers ability to outshine his teammate/competitor.

Simply put, I Think Nico is barely inside the top 10 drivers on the grid when it come to pure ability, and the fact that he has access to all of Lewis's data is making him look much better than he actually is.

Based on what?

Rosberg has openly admitted that they share data, but incase he knows that at some part of the track he has more pace up his sleaves, than he will keep that to him self.. and not show it... So called sandbagging...

But keep on believing that Rosberg isn't the real deal..

[MercedesAMGSpy]

When you have a great car, any tom, dick and harry can be championship leader. Do you seriously think if Rosberg is put in current Ferrari, he would be able to beat Alonso? Rosberg is a good driver, who can look at the data and learn from it and make improvement in his own driving. The same cannot be said about a lot of other drivers, Webber included. On Austria weekend, there was a question to Lewis asking, why he was not going out on the track like other drivers on a bicycle or something to get an idea of the circuit. His answer was like, he learns far more when he does one lap in car, rather than in any other way. People need to accept what is fact and not keep living in denial that Lewis isn't a great driver. The whole F1 world believes that, in this generation, Fernando and Lewis stands apart from the rest of the crowd. Fernando is definitely ahead of Lewis in Race Craft. Nevertheless, there have always been gifted drivers and Lewis certainly belongs there.

5 more wins and Lewis is the British driver with the most wins, bias bias bias I read here. It's true he doesn't do grid walks and interviews just before the race, but you know what, he is always quick when he leaves the garage. Drivers can talk and do what they want, it's all about their performances and Lewis is 4 points behind Rosberg with two DNF's.

[dans79]

5 more wins and Lewis is the British driver with the most wins, bias bias bias I read here. It's true he doesn't do grid walks and interviews just before the race, but you know what, he is always quick when he leaves the garage. Drivers can talk and do what they want, it's all about their performances and Lewis is 4 points behind Rosberg with two DNF's.

Lewis is also winning 4 to 2 in wins when they both finish the race.

[SectorOne]

So in Silverstone we got a glimpse of the fact that Hamilton could possibly have done a one stopper.

Mercedes will restrict the race strategies that can be adopted by its drivers as Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg fight for the 2014 title.

Until now, the dominant team has given its driver duo almost free rein to battle for the championship, despite constant speculation that Mercedes and its parent Daimler might prefer to see German Rosberg ultimately triumph.

Autosprint now reports that one of the ways Mercedes is moving to demonstrate absolute equality between the pair is to limit them to very similar pit strategies.

“The drivers must comply with the same number of pitstops,” said correspondent Alberto Antonini.
http://www.grandprix247.com/2014/07/15/ ... trategies/

This isn´t equalizing, this is handicapping.
It´s things like this why i don´t buy the notion that Hamilton has less fuel in his tank.

[WaikeCU]

First restrict on engine modes, now restrict on strategy. What's next? Restrict on overtaking attempts?

[prince]

So in Silverstone we got a glimpse of the fact that Hamilton could possibly have done a one stopper.

Mercedes will restrict the race strategies that can be adopted by its drivers as Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg fight for the 2014 title.

Until now, the dominant team has given its driver duo almost free rein to battle for the championship, despite constant speculation that Mercedes and its parent Daimler might prefer to see German Rosberg ultimately triumph.

Autosprint now reports that one of the ways Mercedes is moving to demonstrate absolute equality between the pair is to limit them to very similar pit strategies.

“The drivers must comply with the same number of pitstops,” said correspondent Alberto Antonini.
http://www.grandprix247.com/2014/07/15/ ... trategies/

This isn´t equalizing, this is handicapping.
It´s things like this why i don´t buy the notion that Hamilton has less fuel in his tank.

Essentially, whoever QUALIFIES ahead, wins the race, unless something dramatic happens. Everyone knows how hard it is to overtake in these cars, when the performance level is equal. Instead of wishing for open racing, now fans of either driver, would have to wish for some bad luck to befall on the other driver if their support is on the driver qualified behind.

By the way, equal terms means Pit stop on the same lap. Shouldn't it be that way?

[iotar__]

It's nothing new, it was precisely what I was talking about (probably 100 times and too many) about Barcelona and Bahrain too. Strategies that didn't make sense. Of course when it was done in Hamilton's favour it was called brilliant, breathtaking racing and professional motorsport magazine gave him 10/10 for being carried by team's choices . What a wonderful win that was.

Their racing was always limited but again no one cared when Ham was benefiting and marketing exhibition was in place. In Spain it was also a matter of using engine modes unfairly and they had to deal with it. This one is another clarification, no big deal and no need to cry, as long as it works both ways, I mean BOTH, you know the other driver named Rosberg.

Yes Hamilton probably could have done a one-stopper, same as Rosberg could have done an undercut in Barcelona in the second stop or pit next lap after Ham in the first stop. Complaining about it is really is turning into biggest one sided non-story like Monaco 2007 . Not yet but close.