Run-Off Area Alternatives

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And Kimi should have lifted. Instead he kept his foot in it. Must thought he was still in his Rally car.

[SectorOne]

He could have kept it pinned and safely gotten on the track, but he missed the correct area by about 100cm.
the green patches you see are perfect for entering circuits without going over grass and/or curbs.

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Oh the ditch, I'm pretty sure it's a small/shallow ditch played an important part.

[SectorOne]

There´s no ditch on the green painted area, which is my point.
As you can see, most of them leads to "safety areas".
Driving F1 cars over grass always presents huge risks, ditch or no ditch.

[strad]

Talking head on U.S. TV said there was a shallow ditch but either way you're right.
I told my wife at the time it's in a racers nature to keep his foot in it thinking he can save it.

[FW17]

This has turned into a kimi brain fade thread now

[Ciro Pabón]

Well, I know I'm against the tide (how strange) but you know, not all circuits are exclusively for the use of F1 cars.

Actually, the number of circuits where only last generation F1 cars race is quite low.

Zero, to be exact.

So, ideas like a drop in the edge of the track or "useless" run off areas that seems a tad superfluous because they are made for "coward" F1 drivers are, practically, murder attempts when you try to run over them on things like a superbike.

I don't know how many of you have tried to go over a 15 cm drops when running at 250 kph in a curve on a bike with only a leather jacket and some hard rubber inserts between you and the world, but please, do invite me when you do it and, please, send some pictures.

I like to watch brave smiles under helmets.

Before entering the world of magical unicorns with rainbows that is F1 some drivers have to drive in lesser categories that stubbornly refuse to disappear.

Some track owners are forced by fans that have not seen the light and have not devoted themselves to TV-only race watching to actually run races for those desperate souls.

These lesser human beings have to race in the same circuits that for some fans seems boring.

They are not.

Charlie, the unicorn, salutes Kimi Räikkönen: "you do know there is not actual candy mountain, right?".

[FW17]

Well, I know I'm against the tide (how strange) but you know, not all circuits are exclusively for the use of F1 cars.

Actually, the number of circuits where only last generation F1 cars race is quite low.

Zero, to be exact.

So, ideas like a drop in the edge of the track or "useless" run off areas that seems a tad superfluous because they are made for "coward" F1 drivers are, practically, murder attempts when you try to run over them on things like a superbike.

I don't know how many of you have tried to go over a 15 cm drops when running at 250 kph in a curve on a bike with only a leather jacket and some hard rubber inserts between you and the world, but please, do invite me when you do it and, please, send some pictures.

I like to watch brave smiles under helmets.

Before entering the world of magical unicorns with rainbows that is F1 some drivers have to drive in lesser categories that stubbornly refuse to disappear.

Some track owners are forced by fans that have not seen the light and have not devoted themselves to TV-only race watching to actually run races for those desperate souls.

These lesser human beings have to race in the same circuits that for some fans seems boring.

They are not.

Charlie, the unicorn, salutes Kimi Räikkönen: "you do know there is not actual candy mountain, right?".
http://3219a2.medialib.glogster.com/med ... 406868.jpg

CB loved your response.

The debate now has turned from F1 race track run-off to multiple race use track. While circuit owners would love to just pave over a few acres with asphalt and then draw white lines as a track, armchair experts do not agree that it is the best way of doing thing.

While leather wearing motorists are on a joy ride around the track, it would be wise to cover 6 inch step with a gravel trap or sloped PVC kerbs.

While the idea of step along the edge of track on the outside of corners is primarily aimed for F1 racing and probably other cars where running wide and rejoining following a mistake by a driver seems to be have no deterrent to damage or time penalty it certainly would not be suitable for bikes. But on the other hand any form of hard runoff is also not of any help to the bike or rider who has lost control.

[CBeck113]

Well, I know I'm against the tide (how strange) but you know, not all circuits are exclusively for the use of F1 cars.

Actually, the number of circuits where only last generation F1 cars race is quite low.

Zero, to be exact.

So, ideas like a drop in the edge of the track or "useless" run off areas that seems a tad superfluous because they are made for "coward" F1 drivers are, practically, murder attempts when you try to run over them on things like a superbike.

I don't know how many of you have tried to go over a 15 cm drops when running at 250 kph in a curve on a bike with only a leather jacket and some hard rubber inserts between you and the world, but please, do invite me when you do it and, please, send some pictures.

I like to watch brave smiles under helmets.

Before entering the world of magical unicorns with rainbows that is F1 some drivers have to drive in lesser categories that stubbornly refuse to disappear.

Some track owners are forced by fans that have not seen the light and have not devoted themselves to TV-only race watching to actually run races for those desperate souls.

These lesser human beings have to race in the same circuits that for some fans seems boring.

They are not.

Charlie, the unicorn, salutes Kimi Räikkönen: "you do know there is not actual candy mountain, right?".
http://3219a2.medialib.glogster.com/med ... 406868.jpg

CB loved your response.

I most certainly did

Ciro, you've completely ruined our discussion about how wimpy modern F1 drivers have become, and how the teams would probably like to have them drive the races in simulators to insure their safety...like drones or so. Next step: video games.
But, I have to admit that I was only thinking about F1 when I posted my picture in the Caption Comp thread about this subject .

Williams, if they would go to modular tracks then they wouldn't even have to travel, which would be very green, except for those few square kilometers of field which need a become an asphalt surface. Could be interesting, but then there'd be no more circus, only a permanent tent. That would be a huge business decision - F1 could then have 100% control of the track, change its layout at will, install a sprinkler system for wet races .... maybe even put it in a dome for full climate control. But: would it still be enjoyable to watch? I personally think, as I prepare for the sh*tstorm following this statement, that it very much could be, since there is absolutely no need, except selling tickets, to travel around the world for races. Today we have TV and the internet to watch the races, and you could offer extremely expensive tickets to the privileged few, and some tickets for the rest of us poubelle. Crazy idea, yes, but I think it would work when done correctly. And, to close my idea rollercoaster with the subject at hand, run-off areas would be asphalt, or possibly sand, or even jelly (for the motorcycles, of course).

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This has turned into a kimi brain fade thread now

Not at all! How did you arrive at that?

[dandfx]

I cringe at comments about how wimpy drivers have become, sure days of past safety was less and it did take bigger balls but surely you don't want to go back to where a handful of drivers would die each year?



Back on topic, I have a group who religiously watch every race live and this discussion comes up often. We all agree something needs to be done to ensure leaving the track boundaries is not advantageous without meaning the driver is left with a completely wrecked car. It's quite hard to set a blanket rule for all tracks.

We're all for grass / gravel / low friction zones especially on corner exit runoff so drivers can't go 2, 3 or more meters wider than the painted line to gain or maintain speed. Malaysia is a good example of how it can be done safely. Four wheels off the painted line should be classed as off track, just like the games where you lap time doesn't count. F1 should have this in quali at all tracks, during the race some penalty should be enforced (as mentioned earlier, drive through might be too harsh). Maybe a DRS and ERS block including harvesting for a period of time after the 5th instance of leaving the track?

For the newer tracks with completely paved areas extending to the barriers, maybe a designated rejoining point made by speed bump chicane to ensure the driver washes speed and then enters the track safely and not in front of cars at full speed, it could be removed to other types of racing like GP bikes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqkbD9YGuJg

[autogyro]

The stretch material over the run off surface I suggested to the FIA would work fine for all racing.
It is purely a cost issue.

[SectorOne]

I cringe at comments about how wimpy drivers have become, sure days of past safety was less and it did take bigger balls but surely you don't want to go back to where a handful of drivers would die each year?

It´s just a load of BS though.

Take Alonso, Kimi and Hamilton for example, they all saw Senna die on TV and yet the next day they were working extremely hard to one day race in F1 (they did not know the sport would be much safer after that, they only had that frame of reference and said "yea i´ll have some of that" and did their absolute best to make sure they one day would get there.

If they were pussies they would have looked at the death of Senna and said "i´m not doing that, i don´t wanna die".

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whats with the picture of Hans Herrmann? He didn't even sprain an ankle.

[GitanesBlondes]

Tarmac run-off areas are extremely dangerous for motorcycle riders as they lose very little speed if they are sliding across them. It's been especially a problem at Suzuka where gravel traps disappeared for the stupidity of F1 safety standards.