Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team 2014

[FW17]

I can guarantee that had Hamilton missed the apex for the following corner to allow a W05 sized gap for Rosberg, he would have been passed. Hamilton much like Alonso, will not yield sheepishly. And if you really think about it....why should he?
F1 racing no?

If LH had left the door open into the left hander, NR would not have been able to get along side as he was too far deep into the right hander, natural order would have resumed after that corner.

LH needed not to commit to risks like shutting the door into the left hander when he knew the NR was along side him at the entry of the right hander at les combes.

Diesel> He need not see, in most cases drivers do not see but they are aware / sense where the other driver is and act accordingly.

Nico is guilty of needling, and most of all you don't needle your team mate. Hamilton's fault in assuming that no one will needle him after he talks sh*t in he media and runs people off the road.

[Waywardism]

What's so hard to understand about Nico having space on his left and turning right into Lewis instead of using it? No doors were shut at the point of contact, there was space.

[Phil]

i havent watched the race, just read the reports... just wow. anyway, no matter how guilty Rosberg is in their clash, i dont see any thing the team will realistically do. no team orders, definately no race ban.

What they will do, is perhaps some talk that will create the sense that it has been delt with, but effectivaley Rosberg has come off with another +18 point advantage and the knowlege of that being that there are fewer and fewer races to gain back those points.

sadly for Lewis, his best bit out of this entire fiasco is that he might get the stronger support behind his team. if that will be enough, i somehow doubt it. it just seems he's battlinf way more this year than his team mate - it seems luck as well.

i wonder if at the end of the year, one of the two drivers will leave...

[rscsr]

I doubt that Rosberg will leave the team, as he recently signed a contract for at least another year.

[alexx_88]

If Nico wins and things continue to happen as they did until now, there's a very big chance that Lewis will leave and open the door for Alonso or Vettel, probably Alonso. On the other hand, if Lewis wins, my take is that there is a very slim chance that Nico will leave the team.

On the matter of how the team is run, I can't help but think what would've been the outcome if Ross Brawn was still in charge. Basically Toto and Paddy inherited a hugely successful team, but are making a mess of running it. What's your take on this?

[WaikeCU]

I noticed when Brawn was around, Hamilton had 1-2 mechanical issues, which ruined his races. In his last season at Mclaren, how many points has he dropped not only because of bad pitstops, but mechanical issues such as in Singapore and Abu Dhabi. This didn't happen last season, but it started to re-emerge right when Paddy joins and Brawn leaves. Might be coincident too though...

[Waywardism]

What they will do, is perhaps some talk that will create the sense that it has been delt with,

They already did this last week though. I doubt a race ban, but the Totonator is not pleased, something will happen.

[iotar__]

What's so hard to understand about Nico having space on his left and turning right into Lewis instead of using it? No doors were shut at the point of contact, there was space.

One last time because it's getting repetitive: there absolutely were doors shut, Rosberg stayed too long on purpose after he had a legitimate attempt (better Eau Rouge worked for him although he was close earlier), Hamilton cut too much and too early on purpose, knowing there was the other car close behind him. Rosberg didn't "turn" (this one is annoying) he was braking/correcting with other cars close in front of him cutting at high speed. Driving as if there are no other cars around wasn't the first time for either, stop acting as if they are some gentlemen drivers as opposed to "evil Maldonado". You want worse - watch Hungary 2013 against Webber.

Merc are blaming NR because he initiated the incident against their rules, they expect sterile race until fake last lap battle. About driver management - they are paying the price for not properly dealing with Bahrain incident. Drunk on the their 1-2 success and arrogant about the advantage they had they quickly forgot how close it was to double DNF there. Spa is a direct consequence of that and Hungary of course where it was Rosberg that paid the price.

[FW17]

What they will do, is perhaps some talk that will create the sense that it has been delt with,

They already did this last week though. I doubt a race ban, but the Totonator is not pleased, something will happen.

Dock his bonus, that should rub his ego a bit, which could translate to some metal frustration and a distraction on the track for a few races (or until he overcomes it with a win). Unless he is too much a German and shuts off everything when he gets into the car................

Don't think talking to will help and a race ban is not implacable (he could sue the team)

[alexx_88]

They already did this last week though. I doubt a race ban, but the Totonator is not pleased, something will happen.

I think Toto is much more appropriate, considering that he was always on the back foot in managing the drivers, always reacting to things, rather than anticipating and taking action before.

When the battles were kept clean in the first part of the season, both he and Paddy were proudly declaring in each interview that they'll let their boys race as that's Mercedes policy, scoring points with everyone: fans, Merc board, pundits, etc. However, not preparing behind closed doors for what has happened shows their lack of experience in managing a team at the highest level, something that I don't think would've happened if Ross Brawn was still in charge.

[Waywardism]

One last time because it's getting repetitive:

That's precisely how I feel.

there absolutely were doors shut,

No, at the time of contact there was space. What makes it even worse is that by the time they reached the apex when the door would have been shut, the momentum of both cars was such that Rosberg would have been clearly behind.

[SectorOne]

What's so hard to understand about Nico having space on his left and turning right into Lewis instead of using it? No doors were shut at the point of contact, there was space.

Exactly, but we already know why the accident happened, Rosberg created it by leaving his front end where it did not belong.
Just watch the gif, Hamilton is accellerating away from him quite fast and somehow he felt driving his front wing straight into his rear tire was a great idea. He´s got space on his left, he did not even have to do that, all he needed to do was not drive straight into his rear tire.



Both guys are turning right, Rosberg turns even more right for no reason at all, other then of course, "make a point" which destroyed everything for the team Mercedes.

Even if you remove Hamilton and the team Mercedes from the equation, he ruined his own chances for a win.

[Moanlower]

All craziness on a stick.. I saw a very eventful close race towards the end. I sensed from the beginning that HAM being tapped by ROS was intentional, and for some reason I don't even mind. HAM is such a bully, talks too much and enjoys playing mind games. If then such a person becomes a victim of what he started, all I can do is applaud ! =D> Who's more hungry now biaatch. It's not that I hate HAM, I naturally choose sides for the underdog, and not the instigator.

I'm sure HAM will use that 'stick' and victimizing ROS for a long time but i'm sure he can live with that. What I find almost more pathetic is how HAM's moral got an immense boost after he heard the crowd booing and the team expressing their anger towards ROS. I really hope ROS will win this year's championship, and I don't even care how!

[FoxHound]

I can guarantee that had Hamilton missed the apex for the following corner to allow a W05 sized gap for Rosberg, he would have been passed. Hamilton much like Alonso, will not yield sheepishly. And if you really think about it....why should he?
F1 racing no?

If LH had left the door open into the left hander, NR would not have been able to get along side as he was too far deep into the right hander, natural order would have resumed after that corner.

LH needed not to commit to risks like shutting the door into the left hander when he knew the NR was along side him at the entry of the right hander at les combes.

Diesel> He need not see, in most cases drivers do not see but they are aware / sense where the other driver is and act accordingly.

Nico is guilty of needling, and most of all you don't needle your team mate. Hamilton's fault in assuming that no one will needle him after he talks sh*t in he media and runs people off the road.

Do you not think Rosberg was going for a shrinking gap that would always result in contact?
Vettel tried the same move but thought discretion the better part of valour by going over the corner.
Now we have established what ought to have happened rather than Rosberg holding a line he knew would result in contact.

[F1PuertoRico]

What's so hard to understand about Nico having space on his left and turning right into Lewis instead of using it? No doors were shut at the point of contact, there was space.

Exactly, but we already know why the accident happened, Rosberg created it by leaving his front end where it did not belong.
Just watch the gif, Hamilton is accellerating away from him quite fast and somehow he felt driving his front wing straight into his rear tire was a great idea. He´s got space on his left, he did not even have to do that, all he needed to do was not drive straight into his rear tire.

http://a.pomf.se/gruivq.gif

Both guys are turning right, Rosberg turns even more right for no reason at all, other then of course, "make a point" which destroyed everything for the team Mercedes.

Even if you remove Hamilton and the team Mercedes from the equation, he ruined his own chances for a win.

Lots of room left for Rosberg. SMH