2014-2020 Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula

[Holm86]

Scarbs on the new Photos of the Mercedes PU.

[Brian Coat]

These power units are technically beautiful but am I allowed to say that these babies look darn ugly, especially compared to past V8-V10-V12 etc.?

Anyone else think that Merc unit *looks* like the love child of Johnny Five and a V6 Diesel?

[thedutchguy]

Even though the US GP was obviously overshadowed by the money problems of the small teams, Bernie once again made a point about the engines not being loud enough and used the US GP promoter to make this point to Skt F1. Watch the video below starting at 1m40s

Bernie also added that F1 'needs to get rid of these engine regulations, because they are not Formula 1' adding that he will try to do something about it in the off season.



Do we know if there are still plans in development to increase the sound of the engines for next year? Ever since the failed trumped-test by Mercedes earlier this year, things have been awfully quiet around the subject (pun intended).

[ojlopez]

I don't know if this has been discussed before, but is it possible that Mercedes has some kind of gearing in the shaft that runs from one side to the other of the turbocharger? So instead of the shaft turning 100,000+ RPM inside the engine, it runs say 10,000 RPM? It would have less vibration and friction. This could outbalance the gearing loses.

[Holm86]

I don't know if this has been discussed before, but is it possible that Mercedes has some kind of gearing in the shaft that runs from one side to the other of the turbocharger? So instead of the shaft turning 100,000+ RPM inside the engine, it runs say 10,000 RPM? It would have less vibration and friction. This could outbalance the gearing loses.

Not possible. Regulations state that both turbine wheels must rotate at the same speed.

[rscsr]

you could use a hollow shaft in the MGU-H and therefore it would be at least possible to gear the MGU-H and keep the Turbine and the Compressor on the same shaft. The outer diameter of the hollow shaft would need to be about 20% bigger than as a solid shaft to keep the same stiffness (torsional and bending). So I guess it would be more than feasable.

[Juzh]

Bernie also added that F1 'needs to get rid of these engine regulations, because they are not Formula 1' adding that he will try to do something about it in the off season.

Get rid of max fuel flow limit and max fuel carried rule and see all problems vanish. Kind of..

[Blackout]

Bring back the 2006-2013 V8, update them with modern technologies, add an electric compressor that uses ERS power exlusively and boosts the V8 at the lower revs only. (why not: remove two cylinders)
That way you keep the high revs, the sound and the costs under control : P

[wuzak]

Bernie also added that F1 'needs to get rid of these engine regulations, because they are not Formula 1' adding that he will try to do something about it in the off season.

Get rid of max fuel flow limit and max fuel carried rule and see all problems vanish. Kind of..

No, keep the fuel flow regulation, dump the race fuel requirement.

[AnthonyG]

Bring back the 2006-2013 V8, update them with modern technologies, add an electric compressor that uses ERS power exlusively and boosts the V8 at the lower revs only. (why not: remove two cylinders)
That way you keep the high revs, the sound and the costs under control : P

Just bolt the old V8's back in, saves money and works just as well.

You can run them on biofuel to make them ecological.

[FW17]

How come no one has posted Mario Illien joining Renault to ramp up the engine works?

[Thunder]

Maybe because Renault has denied it at the same Day.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/renau ... rio-illien

[Harsha]

As we are reaching the 2014 Season finale , the focus of all teams shifting to 2015
With general hindsight of Ferrari /Renault Possibly Honda also going Mercedes route of Bigger Turbo what else need to be changed to match atleast 2014 Mercedes Power output .

[wuzak]

Bring back the 2006-2013 V8, update them with modern technologies, add an electric compressor that uses ERS power exlusively and boosts the V8 at the lower revs only. (why not: remove two cylinders)
That way you keep the high revs, the sound and the costs under control : P

What's the point of an electric compressor without an elecric turbine to power it?

It will just reduce the amount of stored energy that can be used for the MGUK, since the only stored energy will have to come from the MGUK.

[ringo]

Formula 1 can do what Toyota did with the Lemans car.

What’s the Toyota TS040 Hybrid’s powertrain spec?

It’s the biggest (and possibly the best-sounding) engine of the three LMP1 big-hitters. While Porsche has opted for turbocharged V4 petrol power, and Audi a V6 turbodiesel, the TS040 uses a wailing 3.7-litre petrol-fuelled V8, developing 513bhp.

Toyota brags that the V8 engine is built at the company’s Higashi-Fuji technical centre, where Toyota’s road-going engine R&D work is carried out. The Japanese maker is making plenty of noise about its petrol-hybrid racing tech having a direct trickle-down effect into your next Toyota or Lexus hybrid.

In addition, Toyota has taken full advantage of the relaxed rules on hybrid boost propulsion. While the petrol engine feeds the rear wheels, the electric motors deliver drive to all four wheels, with a huge 473bhp kick. Together, the TS040’s powerplants add up to make 986bhp – an identical (1000PS) power figure to the original-spec Bugatti Veyron.

Look no further than the above. Maybe a small v8 with the increased capacity super capacitor Hybrid power. This is the none turbo option that can keep the signature sound. Sounds like a pre 2014 setup doesn't it? lol but it was the right direction. It only need the 2014 integration of the electric boost and the increased capacity.