F1 on the ropes... and I don't even care.

[xpensive]

Or if Honda would arrive in 2015 with a real 1000 hp turbo V6?

[Töm87]

Well, Bernie has always been a looney, so it doesn`t come as a suprsie that the older he gets the worse his behavior gets.
The thing that really shocks me though is that nbobody has the guts to stop Ecelstone on his madness journey. I mean give me a break, but if 'd be the CEO of Mercedes, Ferrari or Red Bull i'd say Bernie either you call it a day or we'll get out of this.

[Vettel Maggot]

The younger fans are watching MotoGP and other interesting race series...interesting being where it doesn't feel like close to, or is a giant spec series.
...

Moreover, the "green" thing might be a biggie among the pc-kids, but not among others, my 15 year old couldn't care less.

If F1 announced tomorrow that Ferrari could have their V12's back, the public reaction would be overwhelmingly positive.

The only people who might lament it are the small minority who are obsessed with trying to save the planet.

Most people who are overly active on social media and try to save the planet or the baby seals generally have time on their hands due to lack of employment, always the noisy minority gets the spotlight!

[mrluke]

Difficult to appeal to younger fans when it is >£200 a ticket that and most tracks the spectators are miles from the cars and get a pretty crap view really.

F1 really doesn't care about the fans and it shows.

[xpensive]

Difficult to appeal to younger fans when it is >£200 a ticket that and most tracks the spectators are miles from the cars and get a pretty crap view really.

F1 really doesn't care about the fans and it shows.

That is a very good point indeed.

[Andres125sx]

If F1 announced tomorrow that Ferrari could have their V12's back, the public reaction would be overwhelmingly positive.

The only people who might lament it are the small minority who are obsessed with trying to save the planet.

Or those of us who prefer a better technology, more efficient, more powerfull, more advanced...

Problem is the fuel flow limit, not the engine type. Most powerful F1 engine ever was one of these, actually they were even smaller, 1.5 turbo, and that was 25 years back, so imagine how powerful they could be today... v12 would be seen as F3 engines in comparison

Actually, today PU´s are more powerful than V12´s, they provided around 700hp, 750 the most powerful, while today´s V6 provide around 800

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_One_engines


So some of us actually prefer turbo engines. I´d personally prefer less restricted turbo engines, than going back to atmospheric V12´s

And I´m not trying to save the planet, I just want F1 to use the best they can use, and that is turbo engines, not V12 because the sound is cool. This is F1, perfomance should be more relevant than sound

[strad]

this is racing an I don't give a darn about fuel flow or used. Me and everyone I talk to.

[hollus]

Were 1985, 1986, 1987 and 1988 that bad that you swore never to accept a fuel limit again?

[Andres125sx]

Were 1985, 1986, 1987 and 1988 that bad that you swore never to accept a fuel limit again?

There was fuel flow limit then?

Or it was the boost pressure? It was free up to 1987 reaching 5,5 bar in qualifying (and 1350hp). In 1987 it was limited to 4 bar, and to 2,5 bar in 1988 before banning turbo engines for 1989 seasson

Now I can´t find it, but I watched a video someone posted here some months back, can´t remind who was the driver (from 80´s) explaining the inner of his cockpit. There was a remaining fuel indicator showing the remaining laps of fuel they needed to look at from time to time to adjust turbo if neccessary, so I don´t think there was any fuel flow restriction, the restriction was the fuel remaining into the tank

Today the problem is the fuel flow limit is so restrictive the engines do not reach the 15k rpm limit. What btw also affect the sound, 12k rpm sound very different to 15k rpm. It is like if they would be doint the out lap after the checkered flag


That´s the reason I think they should have used smaller engines. 1.6 is absurd, maybe 1.4 or even 1.2 would have been much more reasonable if you want to limit the total fuel used. Why using 1.6 if you´re going to put so many restrictions? Use smaller engines and allow a bit more freedom

[Pingguest]

Formula One indeed had no fuel-flow restriction in the eighties, although Keith Duckworth proposed it as an alternative to the fuel consumption limit.

[langwadt]

Two reasons for the fuel limit;
-limit the maximum power to a "safe" limit you could do that with an air restrictor but then you have little incentive to make the engine more fuel efficient.
-"force" them to run at +10Krpm by making the limit increase with rpm

[strad]

they turned much like today into Mobilgas Economy runs. Not racing.
Since they didn't have the technology some even ran out of fuel. It was and is stupid.

[Richard]

Difficult to appeal to younger fans when it is >£200 a ticket that and most tracks the spectators are miles from the cars and get a pretty crap view really.

F1 really doesn't care about the fans and it shows.

The billions flowing into F1 come from the likes of Santander and Emirates Airlines, not fans buying tickets. Also F1 gets more money from new tracks sponsored by oligarchs throwing money like its going out of fashion than it gets from EU tracks with fans complaining about money.

[xpensive]

...
The billions flowing into F1 come from the likes of Santander and Emirates Airlines, not fans buying tickets.

Interesting, wonder why they don't give away the tickets then?

[MOWOG]

Without actually KNOWING anything about this subject, I am under the impression that ticket sales go to the promoter.

The flowing billions Richard refers to go to the teams or to Bernie.

I don't remember ever hearing of any promoters matching wallets with The Great Bernard.